[CoolNard]

Originally Posted by TegoshiKawaiiDesu

ok, im not gonna convert to kira's side, but all im saying is tht i USED to believe in light... he USED to b the main hero for me of the show... but not anymore... like u said, he did all this to save people from dying out... from wt uve siad, light did tht for the sake of the people and risked his family and his own life... but wasnt he killing off the people in jail too?
if they wer ALREADY judged, then y judge them and end their life? they're gonna die anyways... its like....... if a relative of yours smacked u in the face and his/her parents found out and was already gonna "spank" the kid but u spanked him/her a second bfor the parents got the chance...... bcus of u hitting the relative wen the rightful ppl, which r the parents, wer going to hit the kid already, u get "spanked" as well... its like... y bother doing something thts going to happen already? it will only cause trouble for u....

now for the criminals who werent in jail tht he killed:
ok... enough of tht... dont get me wrong, i understand parts of kira's ambitions... and at first, i believed in it and cudnt understand L's side at all... i was glad he was using it on criminals only and all.. but as the show went on, he started killing off innocent people [the police] to kill murderers... i got shocked.. if he was a truly good person, he wud try to get the *non-criminals* out of the way [and not by killing them off] even if they r against light's rules... if he was a truly good person, he wud understand that they wer innocent people who might have misunderstood the concept... yes, kira HAS tried to explain the reason he is doing this, and i understand that wen some people wont listen, it feels like thers no hope... but u cant get mad and start killing people off tht r innocent... y doesnt he just stick to killing criminals? wasnt tht his true goal? to kill ONLY criminals and use the death note for tht ONE purpose? its just not GOD-LIKE to kill off the innocent people just because they have their own point of view! he shudnt misunderstand the fact tht he isnt A GOD! HE DOESNT OWN THE WORLD!!! YOU CANT CHANGE EVRYONE'S MINDS THT EASILY!!! AND EVEN IF YOU CANT, U CANNOT KILL PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE OF THAT!!! isnt ther such thing as "freedom of speech?" i kno its in japan, but japan does allow freedom of speech too, doesnt it? its not like if you talk badly about the leader or wtever in japan, u get killed... just listen to their point of view... ther is no fighting it... kira knows he cant change their minds no matter what... and killing the innocent people will just make him one of the people he is trying to erase off of the 'world'
[dont tell me u think its OK for someone to kill off innocent people... or r u alright with tht? o_O]
right wen i saw kira kill the people, i decided on L's side... wer true justice resides...


yea yea yea... its coward... "chicken" was just the word of the day for me XD u said something like this: "is it chicken to save people from criminals?" <--- thts wt i meant by twisting words XD lol
anyways......... which do u think is better? to convice or to kill? if you kill a killer, ur also a killer.... and if u detest killers and wished all murderers wer dead, wud u kill urself? if light succeeds and ends all criminals, wud u say its right if he killed himself? he is a killer... u understand tht right? if u HATE murderers, shudnt u consider him a murderer killing killers? he is like an assasin... [with only using the death note] if the assasin decides to only kill off criminals for the people, the police wud still get the assasin for killing... yes yes... i kno tht light doesnt get money off of it, but which is better? to have money or to rule over the lives of the people?

Light did indeed kill off criminals that were about to be killed. Why??? Firstly, there isn't much of a difference, since like you said, they're gonna be dead anyway. Secondly, the only time Light possibly ever did that was to test out the power of the death note; would you rather he experimented it on someone innocent then? And didn't L try the same thing to force Light out in one of the first few episodes? Thirdly, why in the world would Light do something like that when they've already been sentenced to death and stuipidly risk his own life in the process? He isn't dumb, he has more than sufficient knowledge of the uses of the death note now; there's no need to use them as guinea pigs anymore.

They wouldn't listen. Those 'innocent' people got in his way of justice. You're contradicting yourself by asking the reason he doesn't just stick to killing criminals. You know they won't accept Light's ideals no matter how logical they sound. An UNBIASED god doesn't let his emotions or personal feelings get in the way of his agendas. If you can't carry out the cause of justice simply because you feel killing a person is 'wrong', you're being partial, instead of being the impartial person you truly should be. He does not kill those 'innocent' people without a good reason, you know. It's not rage which drives Light to kill. If it takes a million innocent lives to save a billion innocent lives, what would you opt to do? Let's see a L supporter solve this then (which I haven't seen any doing so yet, which is really pathetic if you are going against us Light supporters). Put yourself in his shoes and at least attempt to understand his situation before jumping to conclusions. Points of view are based on reasons. Light is changing the world for the better, he is salvaging billions upon bilions of lives. He has the best reasons backing him up. THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS. HE DOESN'T HAVE TO OWN THE WORLD TO SAVE IT DOES HE??! WHY LET THE WORLD CONTINUE LIVING IN MISERY WHEN HE CAN MERELY KILL A FEW PEOPLE TO SAVE THE WORLD POPULATION?! WHO SAYS KILLING PEOPLE IS WRONG? WHO DECIDES RIGHTEOUSNESS? Power... The one who has the most power in the end wins and is considered justice. Justice determines who and what is wrong. Power determines justice. The link is obvious. A game of the strong and the weak, mentally and physically.

Freedom of speech? Oh, and where have the crime-free campaigns gone then? Why haven't the police been as effective as Light in dealing with the crime rates? What is more important to you? Would having "freedom of speech" matter if the world was indulged in criminal chaos? Sure, freedom of speech, let's all start insulting one another and worship pandemonium? By the way, there IS fighting it. Kira has the power, intelligence, ideals, and determination to fight against it. He knows he CAN change their minds actually, or at least, refrain crimes from being perpetuated. No, he kills innocent people for a higher cause, like I have elaborated by using a scenario earlier on. If you can prove me wrong, I'll stop with the innocence thing. True justice? Lol, that's the thing with L supporters, always looking on the surface of things and never deep into the depths.

How am I twisting words? Show me how I am. What's your definition of "word-twisting" then? Counter my arguments without using the excuse that I'm twisting words, or accusing me of it.

It is ALWAYS the cause and consequences behind one's actions that make one what one is. To create a world of peace and harmony, of trust and safety, Light HAS to kill to a certain extent. Comparing a brutal serial killer who goes around murdering people without a good justification and Light, there IS a world of difference, much more than you think. So can I say that the court and the law are also murderers since they have sentenced people to death as well, basing it on YOUR theory? I don't even see how your last question relates to the problem. Light doesn't need any of those, he doesn't rule over the people, all he wants is just to build the foundation of a crime-free world, using whatever means necessary (which I might add doesn't involve destroying the entire human race, due to the fact that MOST of us detest crime too).

P.S. sorry if i sounded offending, *snaps outta debate mode* TKD-san! Pleasure to meet you, even if you don't feel the same way ^_^; I'm CoolNard, but you can call me Cooly like the others

Edited: Mikami-kun, I've found out from a certain reliable source you've given up your death note, hmmm..? Now the only thing left to do is clarify it with you...

Oren: Very likely and believable story, I'll give you that, though I'm hoping Misa loves Light too much to kill him...