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lol had you drank with the ppl i go out with and started sipping water youd have been thrown down a flight of stairs ^^
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Originally Posted by chaseme View Post
We go to around 4-5 bars we go out at night and we dont see people like you.
we dont see ppl like you? what kind of ppl is that ?
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Lol, what a fool, i already said i go out with people and thats what i do and its effective. and i also mention that it is recommended by experts
heres a link. this isnt the first site i read but this will have to do.
please dont talk to me about your alcohol experience. you need professional help with your drinking problems. You have special issues that might be dangerous when you continue drinking irresponsibly.
People that go around naked butt his head on walls that kind of person.
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Sorry but not only do I think your definiton of "values" absolutely wrong but also fail to see why you've tried to include this at all in this discussion.
What you are calling "values" are actually learned or acquired traits in people.
"Behaviour" is what changes and how we come to terms with our "values" such as whether we swear in public, in front of children, walk in the park naked and so on. Values are learnt via our upbringing, our peers and mostly nowadays, the media. So when you say that people are capable of such and such thing before they drink alcohol, then yes I agree. Actually on the same basis, so is everyone else, depending on their upbringing and values learnt. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence will learn from their surroundings and hence are capable of any number of negative things. It is their "Behaviour" that tells them whether they should and shouldn't do such things. So yes, SOME people according to their behaviour won't need a drink to act violently. They will do it anyway.
According to government statistics however, which are contrary to your personal experience, when people are drunk they are more likely to commit crimes that are a vast part of those statistics.
This is because their Behavioural Inhibitions have been effected and so negative "values" rise to the surface easily, especially since they have been kept in check for so long.
Therefore not only is repeatedly quoting and arguing about "values" plainly irrelevant but it is absolutely wrong. It had no business being in a discussion about how alcohol effects human behaviour in the first place, apart from the fact that when drinking alcohol a person is more likely to portray their "negative values".
To summarise, "values" are learnt from surroundings. Behaviour keeps those values whether negative or positive, in check. Alcohol effects the centre of the brain which controls behaviour, hence the "values" whether they be negative or positive are left unchecked and left to run free. There is less and less will power to control negative "values" once a person has more and more to drink.
Hope that makes it clearer for you.
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Provided that my definition of values is not right from your vocabulary.
i did say what i mean when i say values. i often do include my definition when i mention something in a discussion.
that is because i consider our cultural differences and i know more argument will arise, which is the case right now.
all you do is say that my belief that is wrong but you dont even know what i mean. all people says im naive and immature. well i say all you adult are fools that dont try to understand the young people idea before you contradicts
You guys are the one that come to me and argue about change in values,
take a read on what misamisa said probably youll understand what i mean