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08-05-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by noodle View Post
Dude, what's flawed about your logic is that you don't seem to realise that if something was that important to the majority, ANYTHING is possible. How do you think countries gained independence in the past? Do you think it was easy for them? According to you, it was near impossible, yet it was done... It took many years, it wasn't easy, but because most people believed in it, it was done... Anything that hurts the people as a whole ends up with a revolution occuring, which the chinese would easily do if it ever came to it.

I got a question for you... You know all this lack of freedom you talk off. Why is it Chinese people abroad, don't complain nearly as much as foreigners? Why is it you see Chinese defend their country and government? This is why I asked you earlier if you think they're trained dogs. When they have the option to speak freely, why don't they use it? Why do they choose to defend their land?

As for the dictator, there have been plenty of dictators. Ever heard of General Franco of Spain, or the current president of Pakistan? Though, I would agree that most dictators let power get into their heads and hence end up staying in power far longer than they're needed, sometimes, some of them are good for the people. Heck, most civil wars would have been a waste if it weren't for dictators. Therefore, if a dictator is doing more good than bad for my country, I would happily live there...

Another example of a great dicator is Charles De Gaulle... Had he stepped down when his time was over, people would've looked at him as a hero forever.
What about Syria? People lived in a dictatorship, and they got peace, whereas the neighbours, Iraq, went for a democracy, and look where it is today...
Who's to say big changes over there won't come? I've never said it's impossible for the people to make changes in the government happen. But you seem to think it's just "go do it". And I think stuff is happening. For instance I've heard the judicial system have improved much in just the recent decades


If you look at all revolutions, there is suffering preceeding them. Does that mean one should just let everything run it's course until people decide to risk to "do something"? (not only China)

And, yes that is sometimes exactly the problem with dictators. They start out good but things so good as always deterioate, and they still want to hold on to the power. Dictators are mostly really appealing from the start (good at propaganda etc). It seems your opinion if dictator is more of the roman kind, that stepped in when needed and then handed power back to the people. But there are so many horrific examples of cruel dictatorships that show it just doesn't work that way anymore.

I don't know hardly anything about french history, but wasn't de Gaulle titulated as president?


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