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Originally Posted by Tenchu
- Well, I have actually stopped calling evolution fact. It is impossible to clarify exactly what has happened in perfect light. Yet I do say the concept is true. The theory is what explains the concept, yet is a variable truth, not a fact. A fact is a single element contained within a theory (or sometimes just standing alone).
- See, all I have in my head is a bunch of facts, and I theorise about what must have happened given what I know. What I have always tried to push you to do is pick up the same facts and then theorise as to what must have happened given what you know. You dont seem to, and this is the only reason I criticise you. It is not religion.
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Well that is exactly right. It IS impossible to clarify what has happened.
However, the only thing I still regard as any sort of truth about Evolution is Natural Selection. But that is my own understanding of it based on my own facts.
We have to look at those facts and figure out if they are really facts or not and that is what i've done to the best of my ability. I know i'm never gonna able to theorise how we came about but my religion helps me in that matter simply because so many other facts are right in it.
You should see how they advertise Evolution, like it is absolute fact. Me and Noodle have been talking about some program called "The Genius of Darwin" which is on Channel 4 over here. You should see some of the bull they try to make the average viewer believe
To me Evolution is a theory which is popular because it fits the ideas of the people in power.
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Originally Posted by Tenchu
- How could someone possibly come to a creationist conclusion if they were theoriseing correctly? - That is; collecting facts and constructing a logical theory. The best you (actually, more so Ivion) has come up with is collecting improbabilites (abiogenesis cellular construction) and then trying to construct a theory... based on what, exactly, again? Improbability is not fact, therefor does not help form a logical theory. And I have yet to hear a single fact in a creationism theory, only in intelligent design.
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I haven't constructed a theory. Creationism is to do with belief and I haven't even begun to explain that on this forum.
As a famous scholar I admire points out, the Quran is a book of signs, not science. I and Muslims who care to bother with science, will look at those signs and see that they do make sense. They only exist to make our belief firmer, not to tell us what happened at the beginning of time and so on.
As for my Abiogenesis and Cellular Construction debate with you, I was gone for a week and when I came the thread was gone. So I was rather pissed off about that but not exactly surprised seeing the language that was being used in it
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Originally Posted by Tenchu
- Muslim extremeists are attacking China. My wife asked "Why?" and I replied with "The Olympics are on...". And then I got to thinking; Muslim extremists are terrorists, Christian extremists are corrupt, Jewish extremists are just big idiots.
- Sorry I had to make the last point, I live in an English deprived society and miss talking to people...
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Terrorists exist everywhere. Islamic ones have the bad rep because those are the ones that matter to the Western world.
As for the rest of your post, i'll write about it later when I get the time.