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09-15-2008, 08:00 AM

I really didn't want to get involved in this thread any more than just asking questions because I feared that it would devolve into what it has -- a shouting match, insults being thrown around, and other nonsense.

I'll just comment briefly with the following points.

1) I have found the following definitions of feminism:
-- the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men (New Oxford English Dictionary)
-- the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men (dictionary.com)
-- Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes. (American Heritage Dictionary)
-- a doctrine that advocates equal rights for women (WordNet)
-- A social theory or political movement supporting the equality of both sexes in all aspects of public and private life; specifically, a theory or movement that argues that legal and social restrictions on females must be removed in order to bring about such equality. (Wiktionary)
-- the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes (Mirriam-Webster's)

I see nothing in those definitions nor in any other legitimate source which refers to hatred of men, matriarchy, or any of the other characterizations of feminism made by those who have identified as anti-feminist on this forum.

Being anti-feminist thus means to be against a doctrine, theory, or movement which supports equality of both sexes. Like racism or homophobia, anti-feminism can be manifested in many different ways, both overt and more subtle. It can be expressed in one's politics, language, or world view.

Those stating that they are opposed to sexual discrimination yet are proudly anti-feminist makes as much sense to me as those who claim to be against racial discrimination yet oppose the American civil rights movement. One cannot be for equality and be anti-feminist at the same time, no matter how one tries to twist it.

2) The word "radical" has several different meanings. It often is used with a negative connotation, but consider some of the definitions provided by the New Oxford Dictionary:
1 (esp. of change or action) relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something; far-reaching or thorough : a radical overhaul of the existing regulatory framework.
• forming an inherent or fundamental part of the nature of someone or something : the assumption of radical differences between the mental attributes of literate and nonliterate peoples.
• characterized by departure from tradition; innovative or progressive : a radical approach to electoral reform.
2 advocating thorough or complete political or social reform; representing or supporting an extreme section of a political party : a radical American activist.
• (of a measure or policy) following or based on such principles.
3 of or relating to the root of something, in particular
Also consider this definition from Wikipedia:
Radical feminism is a "current" within feminism that focuses on patriarchy as a system of power that organizes society into a complex of relationships producing what radical feminists claim is a "male supremacy" that oppresses women. Radical feminism aims to challenge and to overthrow patriarchy by opposing standard gender roles and what they see as male oppression of women, and calls for a radical reordering of society. Early radical feminism, arising within second-wave feminism in the 1960s, typically viewed patriarchy as a "transhistorical phenomenon" prior to or deeper than other sources of oppression, "not only the oldest and most universal form of domination but the primary form" and the model for all others. Later politics derived from radical feminism ranged from cultural feminism to more syncretic politics that placed issues of class, economics, etc. on a par with patriarchy as sources of oppression.
Now, of course, one may agree or disagree with the constructs of this strand of feminism, and in fact, there has been debate about radical feminism within the feminist community. However, there is nothing in radical feminism which states that women are inherently better than men, that patriarchy should be replaced with matriarchy, or any of the other false characteristics that have been assigned to it. It is radical in that it seeks to overthrow patriarchy and radically reorganize society, but it does not advocate hatred or replacing one oppressive system with another.

Both Dworkin and MacKinnon as well as other radical feminists are often misquoted. The misquotes are either taken out of context or pulled out of thin air. Usually these misquotes come with no citations or any indication of where it was taken from.

3) I'm sorry that one woman on this forum had some negative experiences with women who looked down upon her work (raising children and being a homemaker are indeed work). And I'm sorry that these experiences helped lead her to identify as an anti-feminist. Feminism is giving women -- and men -- choices in their lives to do and be who they want. Still, we cannot ignore the fact that domestic work (child rearing, housekeeping, etc.) are overwhelmingly expected to be done by women and not men, and that when men help -- if they help at all -- it is almost always done to a lesser degree than the women, even if the women are working outside of the home. I am not stating this to be the case with the aforementioned woman, but just that overall it is something in society that cannot be ignored.

My view of feminism can be summed up by this simple quote: "Feminism is the radical notion that women are people." Full equality and respect in all facets of human existence.

I'll leave you all to it then.
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