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Originally Posted by Wasabista
"Won't be taken seriously"? I beg to differ. Nyororin makes a perfectly valid point. You may claim - and I'm still waiting for examples -- that there are corners of the "feminist" movement that don't demonize men, desire to equalize responsibilities as well as rights, and value an honest disclosure of the historical events that led to today's changing gender roles. But to the best of my knowledge they don't exist. Can you supply names?
When I use the term "feminism" you can assume I mean mainstream feminism, as marked out by the movement's most prominent speakers and as reflected in the mainstream media.
This movement claims to aim for equality between the sexes. But if you look at the things feminists have been achieving over the past 30 years, it's hard to square those things with the stated aims. They are:
• Imposition of hiring quotas for women, particularly in academia
• Enabling the arbitrary confiscation of assets from men to women
• Imposition of a Stalinist system of "pay equity" in the public sector, which essentially guarantees women higher pay than market forces can justify
• Propagation of the lie that men typically abandon their children and typically batter women
• Preventing fathers from being with their children, virtually at the whim of the mother and the courts
If feminists were really interested in equality as they claim, they would be clamoring to extend the military draft to women. I'm straining my ears to hear this voice from feminists, but all I hear are crickets chirping.
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You want an example of mainstream feminism? Look at society now compared with 40 or so years ago.
Also where are your examples? All I see is right wing exaggeration and spin (That feminists tow the line that men typically abandon their children and batter women as well as prevent fathers from seeing their children at the whim of their mothers... complete bullshit)
and oversimplification of some very sound policies (pay equity and quota systems in some occupations and academia. What's wrong with that? Do you have a problem with women being paid the same for the same job? You're not one of those dipshits that believes that because women COULD get pregnant and suffer mood swings that that makes her more of a liability and less valuable. Seriously I've seen that retarded argument before. As for the quotas, it's not like workplaces and schools accept ANY woman to fill those quotas. They of course have to be qualified and the best for the role or position they are going to fill.).
Also, I think you'll find that most feminists being liberal are opposed to ANY sort of draft involving men OR women. Why would they want to EXTEND something they don't believe in the first place?
It'd be like asking God to kill the pharoah's first born sons AND daughters as opposed to just their sons. (Old testament reference if you didn't understand that... though I think the point I'm trying to make is clear).