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What a sham - 10-22-2008, 03:31 AM

your title suggests conspiracy theories, but Zeigeist isn't a conspiracy theory movie (well the 9/11 part is). For the most part it's about money.

I watched it. It promotes the destruction of America through calculated means (and only denounces America and no other nation...hmmm) and promotes a purely Communist society in its stead. It follows the basic tenants of Karl Marx,

1. No individuality, no religion
2. No money to imbalance the equality
3. No philosophy of "progression" or technological advancement.
4. Every person will do their part, but must above all believe in what they do.
5. The people are the government, the government are the people, and all are one.

The movie makes its case, repeatedly denouncing technological advancements, denouncing religion, denouncing individuality. It claims we are nothing more than stardust and should be treated as such. The movie says money is inherently evil, yet asks for monetary support for the "Venus Project". Even when it denounces technology, it ignores it own hypocrisy about creating a society entirely dependent on technology.

It ultimately removes all credit for itself, by spending two hours denouncing everything American, asking people to literally destroy America, calling America lying, evil, and hurtful to mankind, yet almost entirely relies on American inventions, American inovation, American money to fund it's proposed utopia.

I agree with most of the "facts" in the movie. The money system is silly. But its conclusions I cannot agree with. Whoever made the movie took a leap into the stratosphere, they spend most of the movie denouncing one thing, and the rest promoting the other, but never addresses the reasoning. Only stating things that are opinion as fact, to act as a "logic" bridge between the movies' hatred and love.

I'll give you an example, declaring money to be bad for people, because America's current system uses debt. That is not logic. I can argue that debt (also known as investment in most cases, especially in these contexts) is the driving force for all of humans greatest achievements. Turning it completely on the movie itself, it requires vast amounts of "debt" (investment) to create this utopia it promotes. It will give nothing in return for years (accruing debt) until it is complete. But you would say "Venus Project" would be worth the investment. Very good, now you understand why debt isn't evil.

Last edited by promontorium : 10-22-2008 at 03:34 AM. Reason: added an "s", removed an "e"
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