This will host an off-topic discussion from another thread on creativity and morality.
There should be no insults and no religious talk.
-MMM
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I don't want to nit-pick, but you said it shouldn't be made in the first place. That's the same as banning. Now you are saying it shouldn't be available for teens, which is different. Rated-R movies can only be see at 17 and under with an adult consent.
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I don't think I got my point across here.
If we lived in a moral society, there would never be a need to regulate such "creativity". It would be a natural reaction to know what was right and wrong and the few people who would
try and promote their trash, would find it hard to release their "creativity" anywhere.
If there was a niche market for it, it would stay a niche market because the large majority of people would find it
wrong to view obscene materials.
They would be wise to know what it meant for society as a whole.
The majority attitude to this topic, is a vivid example to how far gone from that kind of society we are.
Of course people can pretend that they wouldn't like to live in that sort of society but really, its just because they're so immersed in todays crap which fuels their basic desires that they don't wanna look beyond what they have around them.
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What is crude? I think we have spread ourselves a little thin on what media we are discussing.
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Its not spread thin at all. I always said "media" from the beginning and Manga is a form of media itself.
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I don't think I twisted anything. You said teens aren't responsible enough to deal with stories about teen sex, romance, etc. I said I wholly disagree.
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Yes, teens aren't responsible enough because it is human nature not to be at that age. Kids are forced into such situations and are very unhappy about it later on in their lives, if not at that moment in time.
For example I wouldn't give them guns or things that are "unfit for teens" to handle because you would not trust them with their use. I wouldn't let a teen drive my car or trust him/her to take care of something which meant a lot to me.
Is it cos I hate teens because they are pompous little hormone soaked sponges of grease?
No, it is because they are not
responsible since by and large, they have not had enough experience to be responsible enough.
As for twisting my words, I answered
your scenario, which very frequently forces a whole story of words into peoples mouths. Therefore I did not explain my point clearly, which was evident when I said that "i'll bring it up at a later point if needs be".
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How can you say a manga or movie isn't a creative process. Of course, every creator wants success, but the manga I mentioned are not cookie-cutter pornos. They are creative things going on there. "American Pie" is a teen comedy movie...not a porno. There is a creative process and creativity going on there.
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Lol there is nothing creative about American Pie or anything similar. The only thing somewhat creative about it is the way it is directed and edited for the screen. I was using Pornos as an extreme example but really, some of the crap that goes on in full view these days is soft core porn.
Could it be that you seem to equate how outlandish something is with creativity? Or is it more creative because it sold a lot of movie tickets and DVDs?
I dunno, I think that would be popularity, not creativity.
The same goes with Manga. It is creative in its artwork but it is nothing new so not at all original in its creativity.
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So creative things are OK, but things made to make money are not? How do you regulate that?
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Oo there's that regulate word again.
Not everything is made to make money. Some of the best creativity in history has come from artists who didn't expect a dime in return. They did it because they were truly creative.
Just like these rock stars today, (for example). Most of the garbage being churned out comes from people who want to live the life of a "rock star", not because they love the music.
Where's the creativity in that?
Its exactly the same for the majority of media out there, including Manga.
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People said the EXACT SAME THING in the 90s, and the 80s, and the 70s, and the 60s...welcome to getting old...
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And they were right.
