[CarleyGee]

Originally Posted by minimin

Yeah I agree I watch the news tho, when they say stuff about how good Govt and politicians are helping, its hard to believe tho. What you see on tv does change your perception of reality. I say trust no one with news they tell you unless you hear it yourself. I see the government as a money hungry waste, as much as you put into it its never enough and you still suffer of course they wouldnt have it any other way.

I say violence is a good thing if it makes someone change there ways. very good thing and definitely helpful at proving a point. Usually you see violence is the only way to change a problem.


P.S. I like this thread, and I don't really much try to change peoples minds of anything.

Originally Posted by OliveJuice

That's the thing tho, the ideal is always nicer the the actual result lol. It looks good on paper, but is it realistic.

I don't trust human nature that much. Large communities of people working together with no leadership, all toward the greater good. I personally love the sound of it, but there are too many snakes in the grass, too many glory hounds, too many crazies wanting to "play God"; they ruin it for everyone. It's sad, disappointing, and I wish we lived in a society where greed doesn't gobble people up whole, but it seems we haven't evolved to the point of self-sufficient societies.

As for rural communities and tribes, they may lack a formal government system, but that doesn't necessarily mean that a form of government is toally absent. There may not be official laws and elected rulers in place, but there are wisemen, shamen, or the council of elders, etc. There's almost always a person or persons with some sort of standing within the community to which the people turn to or are advised by. It's not a monarchy or a democracy, but there are a few in place guiding the greater numbers in a cooperative collective effort, which is essentially what a government is.

Me Watching the News = Weather ONLY, but I'd rather
use the internet for that. Naturally, tv is the enemy.
Though I don't see how the computer is that much different.
You can read lies online as well as listen to them on the TV.

Sometimes violence is the only voice you have. If you're
peaceful, the government will just wait until it subsides and
not once listen to what you really have to say about a
certain situation. If you're not shoving it down their throat
to prove that "YEAH, I'M SERIOUS!" it's not use at all.

It's one of those "take a chance" kind of situations.
I can easily see how it could turn wrong, and quickly.

There is usually (even if it's not official) some kind of
person who people look up to as a leader, just because they
have the right charisma and such and these are the
politicians in our community. Sheeple* are quick to believe in
whatever sounds safe for them and they'll just turn the
other cheek, because they don't want to deal with the real
world. Unfortunately, that won't cut it. You can't just
conform** to everything you hear.

So I see what you mean, it could simply be a disaster to
start with! But if every citizen in the anarchy community
has the same goals (like most of them do) then problems
would easily besorted out, as anarchist's don't like to take
decisions from leaders, which would make it harder for any
crazies. Though this is untested theory. It's just a guess
at what could actually happen.

So really, the main question is "Would Anarchy Work in Modern Times?"


EDIT:

I've been reading up on the riots in Greece that were sparked
over the "accidental" shooting of 15 year old Alexandros Grigoropoulos.



This seemed to have taken place Mid-December, but it seems it's
still continuing as there has been a recent report of a riot cop being
shot ? Not fatal, though.

...

*From Wikipedia - What are Sheeple?

Sheeple is a term of disparagement, a portmanteau created by combining the words "sheep" and "people."

It is often used to denote persons who voluntarily acquiesce to a perceived authority, or suggestion without
sufficient research to fully understand the scope of the ramifications involved in that decision, and thus undermine
their own human individuality or in other cases give up certain rights. The implication of sheeple is that as a
collective, people believe whatever they are told, especially if told so by a perceived authority figure believed to be
trustworthy, without processing it or doing adequate research to be sure that it is an accurate representation of
the real world around them. The term is generally used in a political and sometimes in a religious sense.

The term is also used more broadly to describe any person a speaker feels is exceedingly conformist.

The term also has been applied to zealously religious people. In political usage,
it can be used to refer to anyone who is unduly trusting of the media, a politician,
a party, the government, or in the worst case where the person is in denial when
faced with overwhelming evidence contrary to their belief.


**From Wikipedia - What is Conformism?

Conformism is a term used to describe the suspension of an individual's self-determined
actions or opinions in favor of obedience to the mandates or conventions of one's peer-group,
or deference to the imposed norms of a supervening authority.

One manifestation of conformism emerges in the practice of "going along and getting along"
with people who appear to be more powerful. Conformism holds that individuals and small groups
do best by blending in with their surroundings and by doing nothing eccentric or
out-of-the-ordinary in any way.