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Originally Posted by Tenchu
I'm not so sure, Noodle... here we go again...
The planet has been way hotter before, it is okay, but before it happened slowly, things had time to adjust. The expected rate of change now is quite quick. It will disrupt things.
I don't know what facts you expect to see. I don't think you study enough, really. No offence.
Carbon dioxide is what traps heat in the atmosphere.
Here is my view; the only things that really produce carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are decaying living things and volcanoes. Is it not possible the human emissions out weigh that of these forces? I think it is, but havn't actually seen the stats. Can't find 'em.
The greatest processor of carbon dioxide is plants and plankton. The plankton is microscopic, but together they are so abundant they can be seen from space; they are what turns the sea green.
Plankton uses crabon dioxide to make its shell. It dies, the shell falls to the bottom of the ocean and solidifies. As the plates shift, the carbon dioxide funnels underground slowly, the high temperatures cause it to heat, and it bursts out into the air again through volcanoes.
We have also found a use for dead plankton; oil; the fossil fuel. So, is it not possible we have seemingly doubled, tripled, or more the amount of what would be volcano fuel going into the atmosphere?
Plants also consume carbon dioxide. As they die, they decompose. This, mostly, goes straight up, or feeds rich soil. We are destroying the forests that process it, not only releasing the carbon dioxide in the forests, but also taking away the massive filter of the planet. Not to mention, the effect this has on the water we need for farming; 40% of the rain is made by our disappearing trees, making for more baron landscapes.
Moreover, carbon dioxide is not the only heat trapping gas. As plants die they are consumed by micro scopic organisms. These organisms produce methane as a by product. In other words, they fart. The frozen forests of places like siberia more than less decompose much slower, and produce less carbon dioxide. The catch would be that the dead plants are then consumed under the frozen tundra by these little fuc*ers. Their methane remains trapped in the perma frost; the frozen soil of constantly iced up land scapes.
The bad thing would be that as the planet heats, this will cause the release of this gas as the frost melts, speeding it up even more. Not to mention the lack of ice that can no longer reflect the suns heat. But those things are not our fault, you can see how we can trigger chain reactions.
Finnally, I'd like to add, the troposphere (first layer of the atmosphere) is made by life. Living things made it. It started with stromatolites, they produce oxygen as a bi product, like other plants, some couple billion years back or so. Life made this atmosphere, it has, in the past, altered it, often with catastrophic concequences, and it can, in the future, alter it again and even destroy it.
Lastly, I'd like to express my opinion that carbon emissions are only a fraction of the problem of what over population is.
There are these one people; nihilist... you should look into it.
Personally, I do not think there is a point to continue living, but my will to do so is natural. It is just the way I am, and I am who I am. There is no point to change that, either (who I am, that is).
Anyway, what MMM said has a point. I think you bent it.
Science is creative exploring. Imagination. Collecting facts, testing them, even challenging yourself by proving yourself wrong. Ultimately, science is faith in your theory.
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Science has nothing to do with challenging yourself or others. Real science is the cold and impersonal gathering of facts. Science has nothing to do with faith. Faith implies belief, while science searches for the truth, and we all know that faith and truth are often opposites of each other.
Co2 is a minor greenhouse gas, and it has never been shown in history to cause global warming. Even IPCC scientists admit that Co2 levels in the past and present
follow heat increases, and to not precipitate them. The other "major" greenhouse gas is methane, for which cows have been blamed for producing in huge quantities. But, methane levels have been decreasing for the lat 10 years, and no one yet knows why.
Man has actually done a lot to the environment which causes global cooling. The vast farmlands of the American midwest and other parts of the world reflect large amounts of the sun's energy away from the earth, and these farms cover more area than the world's cities, which are blamed for causing global "hot spots".
Man cannot destroy the world, even if he made an organized attempt to do it. The world has endured far worse disasters than man is capable of. More species have become extinct in the past than exist in life now, and man is responsible only for the tiniest fraction of the smallest percent.
"Climate change" is nothing but a political movement designed to spread socialist ideology, a new wealth redistribution scheme which is aimed at the industries and economies of the developed world. "Climate change" would more accurately be called "Eco Socialism", because that's what it really is.