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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire
Oh please.
You've not sufficiently countered anything I've had to say regarding self-determination and Tibet.
All you do is keep going on all sorts of random tangents to try and abstractly justify China's occupation of Tibet.
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Ronin, let me just summaries my points:
Government's role is to provide framework for prosperity for its citizens (I'm sure you'll agree to this)
1. China in 1978 was a socialist republic and a command economy and it had many many social upheavals since the fall of the Qing dynasty. This process is very painful as people go out of jobs with no social security but it is necessary and the government basically said put up or shut up.
2. The path to prosperity requires education, social stability (China hasn't had too much of this last century), food, infrastructure amongst other things and it is severe lacking in 1978.
3. China set a goal in 1978 to go full steam ahead with capitalism and in the same time, set up education, give food to people, prop up the infrastructure, while keeping social stability an top priority.
4. THe reason why Tibetans rioted is because of economics. Western China was left way behind compared to the east coast. The Han's were running most of the show in Lasah but they were the ones who brought capital into TIbet in the first place. Government is in the process of fixing this unbalance but it takes time.
But if instead, at height of discontent, the government throws out a election, will the unhappy Tibetans be able to think rationally? Of course they would want independence because they blame all their problems on the Hans because they seem to be the fat cats. This will signal to the other 55 minority groups in China that if you make enough noise, you can set up a nation, what would you think will happen to China? Say goodbye to social stability. Without that, you are an anarchy. The cost is just too great.
If you still think it is in China's best interest to throw an election, you are out of your mind because there are still people in China that lives below the poverty line and China is still not rich enough yet. This free Tibet bs is only in the best interest of idealists and hippies.
Oh and China has as much right on Tibet as the europeans have on Australia, New Zealand, and the US. By your standard, I totally agree that all of the above mentioned including China really does not deserve it but, who cares right?
