[SSJup81]

Originally Posted by Crane

SSJup81: I never said "going there illegally".

I'm sorry, but that was the impression I was getting, especially when you mentioned the part about not being in a position to get a visa. You can't stay in the country without one and the only other alternative is to be there illegally.

Nyororin: I do speak the language, and the reason why I don't have enough money to save is because none of my family had enough money to go to college, so I was already at a disadvantage by being born into poverty, so when I finally did get a job, I had to pay for everything myself, therefor not having any extra money. I could find employment quite easily in America, even without a family, and without any help from friends, so that's not the problem there. Also, I never said/assumed I would "just marry some random girl" to get a visa.

I wasn't born into poverty, and neither of my parents went to a university, but I could never afford college on my own. I never made enough money to even remotely consider it. My parents didn't (and haven't) paid for me to go. I did the whole two year to four year thing. I took out student loans and used grants (which don't need to be paid back). As I pointed out, the grants didn't help as much as say a nice scholarship, but it's still helping. Sure it'll take a good while to pay off my student loans (luckily, unlike some, it'll only be about 20k or so), but I will get it paid off someday.

Originally Posted by Crane

Before, when I said "get a simple, unskilled job, and eventually get citizenship.", I meant that as a separation of questions, so I apologize for the misunderstanding. I pretty much knew I wouldn't achieve citizenship, but I still asked, like anyone would. My only concern was of getting any sort of job, and that has now been cleared up for me, so that part of the conversation is over.

It's unfortunate that without a work visa (which you need a Bachelor's for), you can't work, unless you just happen to luck out, and know someone who could use you for a job and could sponsor you and you get it that way, but as I said, you'd need a lot of luck in that regard.

Where I'm getting with this is that even if I had the money, no college would ever want to take me, and honestly, even if I did get into a university so that I could move to Japan, I don't want to spend at that money and all that time just to get a normal unskilled job.

It's probably rare for a foreigner in Japan to get any of those "unskilled jobs", then again, I do recall hearing about some foreign immigrants getting jobs in like construction and stuff like that. *Shrugs* Who knows.

Anywho, I still could see a Japanese employer hiring a Japanese citizen/native for a job like that before hiring a foreigner.

I might go to college and if I still feel like it then, I may go to Japan.

You should just start it up now. Just take a class here or there. A little bit at a time. At least that way, it won't cost you as much as a full time student. There are such things as Adult Education, which allows classes to be flexible, so that it doesn't interfere with things like work schedules. You could also take courses online. Usually for that, it's one class at a time, unless you choose to take more than one. In some regards, it's a bit cheaper than going as a traditional student, but like with all schools, books will always be a problem, as aid usually doesn't cover that, but there are places like Amazon and Barnes & Noble where you can buy them used.

But anyway, thank you for all the information. If I have any more questions, interests, or curiosities, I'll be sure to ask again

Sorry that the answers couldn't be of more help, but seems that regardless of what route you take, a degree would more than likely be the best way of getting there, unless you're going there for maybe vacation reasons (tourist visa).

Originally Posted by Orandagirl

How can someone come to live in Japan?

Well, could always look for a job there, but one of the main requirements to get a Work Visa is to obtain a four year degree from an accredited college/university.

That aside, why do you want to go to Japan? What interests do you have of the country?

I mean you have to pay for the trip,your home,food etc.. but how do have that money?

Some people just have jobs in their home countries and save up. Some people go to Japan through work programs, such as JET, Interac, GEOS, etc. Of course these programs mostly cater to those who work as Assistant Language Teachers of English language. JET, for instance, pays its employees for the plane ride over.

I really want to go to Japan before I die. My parents won't let me

To me it's odd that this would be an issue. If you are an adult, your parents shouldn't have much say as to where you want to go or what country you would like to visit, unless they're the ones paying for it. If you're a child, though, I can understand why, as they would probably have to pay for you to go.

If someone knows a cheaper way to go to Japan please let me hear it!

Nothing comes to mind. I would've been there myself by now if I had the money to visit. lol