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Originally Posted by solemnclockwork
Oh please, that comments speaks much of what you think about "certain" people.
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You want to accuse me of something then say it and back it up. In other words stop being a child.
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Originally Posted by solemnclockwork
In essence you want people to think your way to justify themselves when it comes to them proposing ideas and laws. NO go. Religion is not just some behind the closet deal, those who hold such ideas have the same "rational" as you do when it comes them supporting/non ideas and laws. A lot of the government ideas and practices can arguably find themselves based in religion. To say the government needs to justify themselves based on YOUR belief is the same coin. They only thing that matters when it comes to law is the base of the Government of which it is founded i.e. as long as the law doesn't go against those, there's no argument as long as the majority of people agree to it.
did you not see the point in that line? In the context I was connecting to how laws cannot be fair to everyone, to do so would be anarchy.
In what point does " most western societies are based on rationale..." have with this? I'll say again what I'm arguing, each person has the right based on belief of what they will support/non, by that if so the majority agrees that value can be interpreted into law in support of the documents of the government. That is saying government is the extension of the common people right to support that which they fine legal and just. That is not to say all laws are right, and everything that is right is law. Wither the people say based on whatever philosophy that they agree to, it is there right to judge that, and vote/non against what they believe in.
even discussing this matter in the tone that we are, IS walking an fine line.
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The problem you have is that it seems you only believe in the fundamental principles of liberal constitutional democracies so long as they coincide with Christian ideas. I'm sorry but it doesn't work like that. Such underlying principles (Secularism for one) are supposed to minimise tyranny of the majority. The fact that you are for tyranny of the religious majority makes you a religious extremist where I'm from.
As for my beliefs... I suppose my belief in the moral standing of liberal ideals is a belief in a sense (though I don't consider it the same as religion)... but do you really have a problem with that? I sort of assumed that you being from America held the same beliefs that I did in that sense since we are both from Western countries.
But more specifically I suppose there are many things that I'm against and wouldn't do that I believe are morally wrong that I
don't believe should be outlawed. I believe smoking is a disgusting habit and that prostitutes and their customers are empty, soulless people. I don't believe they should be outlawed though. I expect the same of Christians and in fact... most Christians (here at least) respect this. They are FREE for example, to believe that the sanctity of life is so great that only God could take it away or that an embryo deserves human rights and act according to their beliefs. (By
choosing not become euthanised or by
choosing not to.
And will you PLEASE shut up about walking a fine line? If we do cross the line I'm sure we'll be politely told as such by a mod or someone.
Or are you simply scared of this sort of discussion?