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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire
You want to accuse me of something then say it and back it up. In other words stop being a child.
The problem you have is that it seems you only believe in the fundamental principles of liberal constitutional democracies so long as they coincide with Christian ideas. I'm sorry but it doesn't work like that. Such underlying principles (Secularism for one) are supposed to minimise tyranny of the majority. The fact that you are for tyranny of the religious majority makes you a religious extremist where I'm from.
As for my beliefs... I suppose my belief in the moral standing of liberal ideals is a belief in a sense (though I don't consider it the same as religion)... but do you really have a problem with that? I sort of assumed that you being from America held the same beliefs that I did in that sense since we are both from Western countries.
But more specifically I suppose there are many things that I'm against and wouldn't do that I believe are morally wrong that I don't believe should be outlawed. I believe smoking is a disgusting habit and that prostitutes and their customers are empty, soulless people. I don't believe they should be outlawed though. I expect the same of Christians and in fact... most Christians (here at least) respect this. They are FREE for example, to believe that the sanctity of life is so great that only God could take it away or that an embryo deserves human rights and act according to their beliefs. (By choosing not become euthanised or by choosing not to.
And will you PLEASE shut up about walking a fine line? If we do cross the line I'm sure we'll be politely told as such by a mod or someone.
Or are you simply scared of this sort of discussion?
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How in the world would you thank I would be scared? Firstly I don't want to damage my standing on this forum, so I avoid breaking the rules. Secondly keeping it on Religion will undoubtedly eventually lead into an religious debate to which I don't want to go out of respect for the rules.
You don't understand, how can you say to someone to put away there beliefs/convictions (abortion for example is NOT supported by the majority of Christians) so they can make law according to your standards. That doesn't work, mainly because people won't put away there convictions. Even if you don't belief that something shouldn't be illegal, with respect to the lands law, someone else will have an different opinion.
The very fact that we both have different philosophies, convictions, and ideas is an prime example of how very different we both view law, and government. What I believe to be law, and the same with you is drastically different and thus the same with groups of people. I can set their and say certain stuff should be law, and you can say the opposite, and I can go out and support my cause, (same with you) and if the circumstances allow that could lead elsewhere.
How can you set there and tell me my ideas don't work? Seams an step over an line. Did I not mention in my earlier posts about government protection of minority with respect to whats being proposed?
Yet, again on what basis do you have to say in my religious views that I'm an tyrant, and WHAT basis do you have to say I'm an extremist? Is it because I hold my convictions to an higher standard, or is it because my views don't meet yours (be careful just calling me that does amount to breaking the rules)?
The fact that you used Iran, where there are plenty of more theocracy to use that doesn't have the very major problems that Iran has. The fact that you mention "connect the dots". How is it being an child when you can read into something and see that the comment is negative and thus make an deduction about what the writer is trying to make?