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Originally Posted by mercedesjin
First, please stop saying "NO, JUST NO." Its obnoxious. I think it's completely possible to have a calm discussion, just expressing ideas, without saying shit like "OMG YOU'RE SO WRONG." Relax.
It's always funny how personal stories aren't valued. Personal stories are what spurred the need for movements. I feel like my life is "accredited." If that's not good enough for you, move on.
The need to make women submissive to men is what separated men and women. Whenever one group wants to oppress another, suddenly labels and expected qualities come with these labels. It's the same thing with race and sexuality. In fact, before the Victoria age, there was no "homosexual." There was just sex and desire. Then, in order to make one group of people submissive to another, scholars began declaring that people who had sex with the same gender were mentally ill. There was a new group - homosexuals were separated from heterosexuals. Now that they've been separated, people can easily discriminate against them.
And yes, equal rights did spur the feminist movements. Because women, who were separated from men and felt emotionally attacked that they could not do the same things as men, decided to do something about it.
I'm just making up a quick example, but there are also many fundamental differences between women and pregnant women, right? Yet we still think of them as women. We still have women go into the same bathrooms, still expect them to have the same qualities that come with the labels of "woman." If we suddenly wanted to discriminate against pregnant women, however, we could easily do that. We could call pregnant women by a completely different label that isn't associated with women in general. Maybe we could call them preggers. From there, we could label them and say there are expected qualities for all preggers. They're all supposed to be moody and constantly hungry.
But we don't. We also don't need to do it for men and women. Then, we would just be humans with biological differences, as my brown skin is darker than a white person's skin, and there wouldn't be as much discrimination.
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There, is an reason why I asked you if you only got your feelings hurt. Since you cannot provide any evidence to support the claim that separation of the sexes is mentally damaging, you cannot claim it as true.
Ugh, did I not just say linking things without evidence does nothing for your claim? There is an reason I also did the little phrase "no, just NO". I can make claims too, like " because men fill the need to dominate the dog, we domesticated, it so that it could be our slave. that said, I'm going to ask you to support this claim also with evidence. So we just deal with labels, I'm labeled an redhead does that mean I should feel discriminated against because people made fun of that?
So, how does the feminists movement start because they couldn't use the same restroom as an men, because that IS what is being talked about here, both-equal-separation of the sexes.
Ok, quit with the semantics. Pregnant women ARE women. Being able to have an baby is an quality of being an women, yes? So I don't get the example.
Very few people, have an problem with the women/men labeling. Mainly because THERE is no discrimination that you want to write off on men.
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Originally Posted by mercedesjin
It's called the veil. It's Du Bois's theory on double consciousness. Because black people are alienated as black - different from white - we see ourselves not only as humans but as black people. From that perspective, because we see our black identity, we can see when someone is attacking it; whereas on the other hand, if you're a white person in a room filled only with white people, you don't need to see your white identity. Then, if someone were to attack you, you would only see it as attacking your human-self rather than your white-self.
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So what you are saying, is that if there is an room of black people they wouldn't see themselves get attacked, only see it as attacking there human self? If someone was to walk into that room and call white people "crackers" they would know what they are attacking. It works under the same principle because I know I'm an redhead, someone attacks me, I would know what they are attacking. Point is I don't see how this relates to what we are talking about.