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Originally Posted by SSJup81
I wasn't really in it to begin with. I gave my opinion and left it at that. I can't help how I feel. I shouldn't have to defend that.I guess I should've rephrased. IMO, you should just quit with the way you're acting towards the other posters. IMO, you're coming across as a tad bit rude and not being very respectful of other people's opinions.I never realized this was a debate and was more so for speculation.Could be a combination, but, it's the way you do it that makes it seem rude. You're literally demanding people to defend their own opinions and that's what I find kind of "wrong".I can understand this if a person is trying to pass of an opinion as an actual fact. I can say something like, "Summer is the worst season out of all of the seasons." I just stated that as a fact. It's obviously "not true" since everyone is different and not everyone dislikes summer. IMO, it's the worst season, though, but if a person said so, and clearly made it obvious it was an opinion, I wouldn't really question it, unless it was something like, "What do you like about summer since you enjoy it so much?"If I'd seen this, I don't think I would've said too much, sine you said "IMO". It's your opinion. No need to truly have to back it up, especially if it's a subjective topic. Now, to me, I respectfully disagree. Anything done to cause discomfort, be it mentally or physically, just to obtain information, I would call it a form of torture, in other words, I feel that there are different types, the one you mentioned, being one of many. I would state my opinion and leave at that since it's my opinion. This is how I feel on the matter. Would it be necessary to ask for me to prove this claim, if this is just my opinion on the matter?Like I said, though, it's not the fact that you challenge, it's how you come across. You come across as rude and demanding. You're not really coming across as respecting the other person's opinion or even trying to understand where the other person is coming from.
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It was directed at anybody who can not handle the pressure and response that comes with stating your opinion in such a place.
There's a LOT of speculation going on here. As such when two opposing views come together it becomes an debate. Hence what has happen.
Tsuwabuki recognized this as an debate.
In an court of law can you make an accusation without supporting it? Can you scream fire in an public building without there being one (doing so will land you into legal trouble). How then is it rude for me to ask people to show respect to there own selves by supporting what they say? You don't pay attention to the boy who cried wolf do you? Simply I demand they do so, as an standard. Gossip is something no one should peddle in.
One thing I add is I do see someone who doesn't support there own arguments and opinions as doing an wrong to the people who read it, and it themselves.
I"m not arguing an old topic, I used that as an building block to what I was saying. Nothing needs to be taken from it other then what context it was in the paragraph. Here's the point you are not getting, a person who sees that by this forums standards has the right to challenge that opinion. Now you have the right to respond. Opinions are beliefs correct? If an belief is wrong and someone points that out either to show to others why it was wrong or to you also is it wrong to do so? It's relates to the water boarding thread. Rohin4hire was correct in pointing out that my "opinion" of what constitutes torture was wrong and we debated at the time (its not there because it got heated). That is simply whats happening here.
I'm going to address all the rude points here. Me coming across as demanding is the same in any debate. One side demands that the other provide evidence to support or defend there argument, it's simple as that. I would expect others to treat it the same way. Me being rude is subjective. I did not label anybody, or resort to personal attacks. I pointed out several factors in which either was childish (you believe that saying you hate someone is an mature feeling?) or venom. the point of those are to show the person to think about what they are writing. I have also stated that opinions are valid to each other. As last note coming off is subjective at best because it is an conflict of ideas and opinions and no one likes to be told there wrong or not right on the issue.
I have to see the other side to argue against it, I also must see and read what they say, post, and link.
I shouldn't have to write this but I will. EVERYONE including me have emotions that depending on the context will strike them up. I give people leeway in that I don't respond to snide remarks usually. that said I'm also stricken by the same emotion everyone else goes threw, in as such I can become prone to doing the same thing.
I have also stated outside of this thread, I still see everyone on the same platform as me. I don't have a problem with anyone, at the end of the day if it was possible I would still see everyone on here as an peer.
I also might add as I think about it, as this goes on think about some of the words used against Palin (she makes women look like joke, I hate hear, she only has two braincells etc). Maybe if they would word it to be more natural to passive, there wouldn't be such an huge discussion about it. That is the reason why I'm defending her against personal attacks. She gets attacked unjustly and unfairly.
That is not to say the same thing can happen about political arguments (around the same argument me and you had, but much cooler). As such I believe those remain natural because of there ideology nature.
Take the comment that burkhartdesu posted. Completely unjustified to say something like that. I"m challenging peoples opinions so that they would show the woman some respect.
At the most it not about how you feel about her politically, she still deserves the same respect you give to others. It also begs to be asked, if you treat her in such the same way, how then can you ask others to treat you nicely?