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Originally Posted by bELyVIS

I'm old enough to form my own opinion without your advice. I'm also old enough not to argue with people who force their opinion on us all in this thread.

Did I deny you to form your own opinion? No I didn't. I challenged that opinion there's an huge difference.

I'm certain that your old enough also to know why you shouldn't use terms like "I hate", that was the reason I asked how old you are.

I"m at an lost how you can say I "force" my opinion on others, care to enlighten?

Originally Posted by MMM

I have never seen this level of filibustering on JF before. It's really something.

Who do you think is filibustering? Why would you say that?

The conversation has continued and went in different directions, so I cannot say which side would fit the bill?

Originally Posted by minimin

See what i mean, you get all defensive because someone shares their opinion, and IF you actually read what i said i don't share that opinion for all christians next time read, and yea I kinda paraphrased your quote, you knew what i meant. Chill out will ya, I dont care to read your FACTS, first off its early in the morning, second(i bet there nonsense), and third well im busy. So carry on with your retarded online debate, Im out. Agruing over sara palin(a lame duck who isnt a lame duck because shes a quitter) simply waste time......have fun sitting at your angry tree hahaha ^_^

How did you come to the conclusion I"m being defensive? I never question that you didn't say all 80%. You do know what the word fact means?

Originally Posted by QueenNanami

Look it up in a freaking Dictionary.

We have different views and she makes woman look like a joke. I dont like her. I have a right to not like anyone i want. Omfg dude, now are you going to tell me Im not a "True American" Because i dont want to stand up for Sarah freaking Palin?! She's dumb. I dont like her. I dont care if that makes me a bad American! In America we have freedom of speech and it's my American right to express how I feel where every i freaking want to.

Lol i have. You insult me and then try to tell me you arent. When insulted I feel angry and mad. It's not because you have a different opinion. It's that weird passive aggressive way you insult me.

If you call the statement foolish wouldnt that make the one who said it a fool? It relates because I said it.

And you act like a stuck up know it all. No one's right but you right? Your going to keep this going until i admit Im wrong right? Well Im very stubborn and if I remember correctly this isnt the point out others faults thread. This is the Sarah Palin thread. So you can shove any opinion you have about me. Because this thread is not about attacking me and what i do.

Constructive criticism my bum. Constructive criticism means it's something someone needs to build on. What you say is just criticism. I have not been burned and this is a Debate about Sarah Palin. So far you have barely said anything back to me about her. You mostly are just judging what Im doing or have done.

What ever dude. This is my last post to you. Me and you are no longer debating, We are derailing, it's more of a name calling post after post now. Last i checked It wasnt about me and you, It's about Sarah Palin.

This is done.

I know what sarcasm means, I was asking why would you use it?

I NEVER told you couldn't like anyone did I? I have said SAYING you hate her is pointless for two reasons; One it puts an huge burden on you (it also gives that person power over you). Two I have said I don't believe that you do. You really don't need to use such language here, I NEVER question your loyalty did I? I asked an simple question, and that question had a point to it. Being that when it comes down to it, everyone would stand up for another, wither you completely disagree or dislike the person.

I NEVER question the right for you to feel certain ways did I? Free speech works for me to, to which you're not understanding here. You get to say what you want I GET to say what I want THAT is the POINT here.

On an different note free speech in America has limits. You cannot say fire in an crowed building without legal trouble. You also cannot speak libel and slander without the chance for legal trouble. Point to this? Your freedom of speech ends where mine beings, and mine ends where someone else begins.

Defamation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You getting (anybody also who fits into this) over what someone else does IS your problem not theirs. I have also stated that when two arguments (opinions) collide THERE will be an conflict. Let it be known now since I have to say it, I'M NOT INSULTING YOU.

Well, it COULD be taken that way. Here I'll explain. When an painter has an bad painting you call the painting bad right? By extension does that mean the painter is bad? NO it doesn't it just means that specific painting is done poorly. Wither the artist had an bad streak, didn't focus, etc doesn't matter. I also have stated to MMM in this thread about calling someone an lier over someone telling one lie. Same principle applies here. ARGUABLY one could make an case out of repeated cases, but that not the issue here. I also have stated I don't like labeling.

DID I SAY I KNOW EVERYTHING, NO didn't think so. I have also stated that I was wrong in another debate about water boading DID I NOT? This is an debate it goes for how long it wants (I really can't say). Well if it's not an "point out others thread" could you stick by that in reference to Sarah Palin.

constructive - definition of constructive by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Read those on constructive criticism (I do remain you that constructive criticism doesn't have an set stone def.)

WikiAnswers - The Q&A wiki
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You completely mistook the phrase. I never intended for you to take that you got burned, but for you to see that because of the nature of this debate strong feeling prevail. I have been saying and defending Sarah Palin thought out this thread.

Was this post about Sarah Palin yes it was.

http://www.japanforum.com/forum/gene...tml#post742161

Neither you OR me where name calling, so I don't know how you came to that conclusion, YET it is still about Sarah. My whole posts toward you have been about the language you use towards her.

READ WHAT I WRITE.

I'm going to address all the rude points here. Me coming across as demanding is the same in any debate. One side demands that the other provide evidence to support or defend there argument, it's simple as that. I would expect others to treat it the same way. Me being rude is subjective. I did not label anybody, or resort to personal attacks. I pointed out several factors in which either was childish (you believe that saying you hate someone is an mature feeling?) or venom. the point of those are to show the person to think about what they are writing. I have also stated that opinions are valid to each other. As last note coming off is subjective at best because it is an conflict of ideas and opinions and no one likes to be told there wrong or not right on the issue.

I have to see the other side to argue against it, I also must see and read what they say, post, and link.

I shouldn't have to write this but I will. EVERYONE including me have emotions that depending on the context will strike them up. I give people leeway in that I don't respond to snide remarks usually. that said I'm also stricken by the same emotion everyone else goes threw, in as such I can become prone to doing the same thing.

I have also stated outside of this thread, I still see everyone on the same platform as me. I don't have a problem with anyone, at the end of the day if it was possible I would still see everyone on here as an peer.

I also might add as I think about it, as this goes on think about some of the words used against Palin (she makes women look like joke, I hate hear, she only has two braincells etc). Maybe if they would word it to be more natural to passive, there wouldn't be such an huge discussion about it. That is the reason why I'm defending her against personal attacks. She gets attacked unjustly and unfairly.

That is not to say the same thing can happen about political arguments (around the same argument me and you had, but much cooler). As such I believe those remain natural because of there ideology nature.

Take the comment that burkhartdesu posted. Completely unjustified to say something like that. I"m challenging peoples opinions so that they would show the woman some respect.

At the most it not about how you feel about her politically, she still deserves the same respect you give to others. It also begs to be asked, if you treat her in such the same way, how then can you ask others to treat you nicely?