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Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

It was directed at anybody who can not handle the pressure and response that comes with stating your opinion in such a place.

You're still coming across as disrespectful, rude, and a tad big defensive...almost like one throwing a temper tantrum, but not really on that level.

There's a LOT of speculation going on here. As such when two opposing views come together it becomes an debate. Hence what has happen.

I suppose, but for what I was talking about, how Palin's quitting makes her look bad in general, just like the quitting of all the schools she went to, to me makes her look bad was pretty much my only, and main qualm. Why you can't seem to understand my point of view is beyond me, and with others, it doesn't seem as if you want to acknowledge another person's point of view. To me, you're attacking the poster more so than what's actually said.

Tsuwabuki recognized this as an debate.

Good for him. If he wants to debate, okay.

In an court of law can you make an accusation without supporting it?

I'm not making accusations about anything or anyone.

Can you scream fire in an public building without there being one (doing so will land you into legal trouble).

Common sense. Of course not.

How then is it rude for me to ask people to show respect to there own selves by supporting what they say?

It's just an opinion though. If people go around saying, "I feel" or "IMO" and such, and then give a reason, it should be left at that...not demanded that the person elaborate more on it. IMO, Palin quitting her colleges, and having to go to so many just for a Bachelor's degree looks bad to me, and also, to me makes her look like a "quitter" and her quitting as governor makes her looks like an even bigger one. What can I say to back that up if this statement is based solely on how I feel? I didn't attack Palin, I didn't call her "stupid" or anything like that. I didn't bash her either. I just feel that quitting wasn't a good idea, especially if she does have aspirations for obtaining some other political office.

You don't pay attention to the boy who cried wolf do you? Simply I demand they do so, as an standard. Gossip is something no one should peddle in.

I don't see anyone here gossiping. Just giving their opinions on why he/she doesn't like her or either why he/she doesn't feel she'd make a good President or why he/she felt she shouldn't have quit or how they feel since she did quit. In other words, I don't see anyone here stating their opinions as if they're facts. The posts are clearly subjective and opinionated.

One thing I add is I do see someone who doesn't support there own arguments and opinions as doing an wrong to the people who read it, and it themselves.

Why should they support an argument if they don't have much to support it with? Let's say someone said, "I felt Palin wasn't very knowledgeable when it came to international relations because of an interview she gave." or "I feel that Palin truly needs to get out of Alaska more, because she comes across as living in a bubble." Both of these are opinions, but, they aren't stated as facts either, because of the wording and the context.

I"m not arguing an old topic, I used that as an building block to what I was saying. Nothing needs to be taken from it other then what context it was in the paragraph.

*Points to what I said above*

Here's the point you are not getting, a person who sees that by this forums standards has the right to challenge that opinion. Now you have the right to respond. Opinions are beliefs correct?

It can be defined as that, but I see opinions as more as "personal views". Just because you view a person in a certain way, doesn't make it a true belief.

If an belief is wrong and someone points that out either to show to others why it was wrong or to you also is it wrong to do so?

So how is my view wrong? I did say that imo Palin is coming across as a quitter. That's just based on observation.

It's relates to the water boarding thread. Rohin4hire was correct in pointing out that my "opinion" of what constitutes torture was wrong and we debated at the time (its not there because it got heated). That is simply whats happening here.

But the problem is how you're coming across and you seem to be spending more time attacking the poster than the actual post.

I'm going to address all the rude points here. Me coming across as demanding is the same in any debate. One side demands that the other provide evidence to support or defend there argument, it's simple as that. I would expect others to treat it the same way. Me being rude is subjective. I did not label anybody, or resort to personal attacks. I pointed out several factors in which either was childish (you believe that saying you hate someone is an mature feeling?) or venom. the point of those are to show the person to think about what they are writing. I have also stated that opinions are valid to each other. As last note coming off is subjective at best because it is an conflict of ideas and opinions and no one likes to be told there wrong or not right on the issue.

Even though I don't agree with it (the hate thing), they have the right to dislike if they want. It's done so much and so often. Look at celebrities who get a lot of hate and stuff. It's to be expected, especially with someone in the spotlight. I know I can never personally dislike someone I don't know, but there are some who do. The only thing I personally do dislike about Palin are some of her views, but I don't dislike her.

I have to see the other side to argue against it, I also must see and read what they say, post, and link.

But that's just it, you really haven't come across as seeing the other side of the argument. You're just arguing.

I shouldn't have to write this but I will. EVERYONE including me have emotions that depending on the context will strike them up. I give people leeway in that I don't respond to snide remarks usually. that said I'm also stricken by the same emotion everyone else goes threw, in as such I can become prone to doing the same thing.

For me, I'm extremely calm, laid back, and nonchalant. This thread is nothing, and for the most part, there hasn't been anything here that's "upset" me. I wouldn't still be here if that were the case.

I have also stated outside of this thread, I still see everyone on the same platform as me. I don't have a problem with anyone, at the end of the day if it was possible I would still see everyone on here as an peer.

That's good. I'm pretty much the same way.

I also might add as I think about it, as this goes on think about some of the words used against Palin (she makes women look like joke, I hate hear, she only has two braincells etc). Maybe if they would word it to be more natural to passive, there wouldn't be such an huge discussion about it. That is the reason why I'm defending her against personal attacks. She gets attacked unjustly and unfairly.

I do agree she does get attacked unfairly, but, she has said/done things that made her come across as if she lacks knowledge, and the one that stands out for me, was when she couldn't name one single newspaper when asked to name what she read, after she stated that she read papers from all over. It was a simple, easy question, but managed to botch it. For something that's done on a regular basis, which she implied, seems she should've been able to name something right off the bat.

Take the comment that burkhartdesu posted. Completely unjustified to say something like that. I"m challenging peoples opinions so that they would show the woman some respect.

Not sure what was said. ^^ That aside, this same logic should be applied to Obama as well. There have been a lot of people being disrespectful towards him. Some towards Bush as well.

At the most it not about how you feel about her politically, she still deserves the same respect you give to others. It also begs to be asked, if you treat her in such the same way, how then can you ask others to treat you nicely?

Which is my philosophy in general. Treat others the way you would want to be treated and try to be respectful of everyone, regardless. I don't know Palin, which is why I can't say I dislike her...just her views, which is normal anyway. She seems to be a far right Christian. I have no problem with Christians or anything...just the extremists, but it's her prerogative to believe what she wants. Who am I to argue that?