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Originally Posted by SSJup81

One thing comes to mind when I think about how the conversation has advanced to this point. If you don't like what I post, you are not required to respond. It's simple ignore me if you want, I won't think any less of that.

Originally Posted by SSJup81

For me, it gets to the point where I just don't care. Can't truly change some people's views, as they are stubborn, even if the evidence is right in front of him/her.

For lack of a better word, I like doing "this". It serves as a way for me to learn, while also improving and understanding social interaction.

I like to debate wither, the person while change there views or not. You could say I'm an sucker for an argument.

Originally Posted by SSJup81

I said you came across this way, even if it was unintentional.

I would still like to know how you came to that conclusion. There has to been something I wrote that leads you to believe that.

Originally Posted by SSJup81

But it still came across as if I had to reach your conclusion. I understood it, and even agreed partially with it (she did get her degree after all), but the fact she had to go through so many schools to get it, to me wasn't a good thing.

I would think you wanted me to reach your conclusion also? I hate to say it, but one wanting the other to agree is the nature of the beast.

Originally Posted by SSJup81

Now this I have no problem with. You're just responding the query and asking about it. You're not coming across in a "You better prove your point" manner or anything.

I don't expect someone to take my opinion for the matter, as such I expect the same standard applied to me and those I argue with.

Originally Posted by SSJup81

To me, I haven't seen that.

http://www.japanforum.com/forum/gene...tml#post741486
http://www.japanforum.com/forum/newr...reply&p=741747

http://www.japanforum.com/forum/newr...reply&p=742048
http://www.japanforum.com/forum/newr...reply&p=742339

Originally Posted by SSJup81

Multiple colleges, not just one. What do you call it when one attends a school, or anything, and doesn't finish it? Is that not quitting? I'm not twisting it. Besides, I didn't say she was a quitter. I said she's "coming across as one". There's a big difference. Saying she's a quitter, would be my saying it as if it's a fact, but I have no proof of that, as I don't know if there were mitigating circumstances that led her to have to quit all of these universities/colleges so prematurely. My saying that she's coming across as a quitter because she quit so many schools and now her position as governor, is pure opinion.

I'll address the main concern that plagues me. "comes across". Do you believe one way or the other, but say the opposite thing? This is the problem with the phrase comes across if you don't believe that, then how do you justify yourself in believing one way then stating the opposite? If you believe the same way as the phrase why don't you say "she is an quitter"? If you believe it, then it's the same as your opinion. Arguably you can say there is an middle ground here with natural position.

What that means to you depends on how you respond to it. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right, I want your view on it.

come across - definition of come across by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Originally Posted by SSJup81

There's nothing wrong with that, just as long as you don't come across as being demanding or come across in a way where the correct interpretation is yours. As I said before, it's probably unintentional on your part.

No problem with commenting on it, it's when you come across as demanding that's the problem, and when you do that, you're not coming across as respectful of the other poster. As I mentioned above, it may not be intentional on your part.

Well, yes it demanding. It also a double edge sword that works against me since I'm so ferocious about it. When I don't do like I asked someone, they have an right, and obligation to point out the hypocrisy in what I have done.

I have said also in an past post, I want to know why your opinion is that way, and I cannot do that without someone providing why they come to that conclusion (it also serves to ask that person to think about there own opinion and know it.) I have also stated there is not standard to these types of things, but in contrast of that I still imply that one have at least one source to back up there argument.

I'm concerned in the validation of an statement. Personal credibility, if you will.

Originally Posted by Barone1551

Isn't it much nicer when its a calm discussion.

I would really like to know how everyone arriving at this conclusion.

I thought it was calm before (bar an few snippets but nothing to be concerned about)

As such I kindly ask you to please show me in quotes the ones that lead you to this conclusion.