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Originally Posted by MarkDuff
touche i know very little but i do atleast know some
and if you have another site besides wiki i will be more then happy to read but wiki itself can't always be trusted because some of it is fan based but and not always correct so if you have some other site then i will be more than willing to read
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Sorry if you didn't notice. I said to follow the citations in the Wiki entry. I agree you can't just read what's directly on the Wiki for sensitive information. If the citations are from reputable sources then it's fine, just read those.
I also linked you to the Skeptoid.com guy's personal research which is excellent. Please read or listen to his episodes on these topics, they're quite short and entertaining.
I don't want to argue about something I have limited knowledge of, so I won't say anything else about the details. However, I stick to my previous, more general argument: when people make predictions
today, with all the modern tools they still often get things wrong. How can people thousands of years ago, using crude astronomy, make a prediction that is even irrelevant to astronomy? This is a argument from faith in ancient peoples, or long traditions. Even if they did mean that 2012 would be an apocalypse, there's not a single reason to believe them.
If you care about human civilisation, listen to contemporary thinkers talking about relevant data like water levels, climate, food shortages, populations etc, not ancient people who had no idea what modern society would be like and worshiped astral bodies.