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America's main foible is the breaching of international law. Attacking civilians is a heinous act. Just put yourself in the shoes of a Hiroshima-loving citizen in 1945. They perhaps cared little for petty squabbles and bore the brunt of the A-bomb. If Israel, America and Europe are afraid of a nuke from Iran, they should bear in mind Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Why should America be allowed to do that and then have the cheek not to let Iran develop a nuclear energy program that they've largely been in conformance with?
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You don't know WW2 do you? Let me ask you in all your wisdom, WAS America the only Nation at that time to attack cities? Mind you that is a very simple answer. I do also love hindsight, well when we think about past events we can see things we could of done better. The bomb was dropped simple as that, debating wither or not something that has already occurred is rather pointless if it serves no purpose then to criticize decisions that had already been made.
Ok, I'm going to be nice here.
How in the world do you think that Iran having a nuke is similar to the US? DO YOU EVEN know what would potentially happen, WHEN a TERRORIST sponsoring state gets a hold of such a weapon? Buddy they have NOT been in compliance with the INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY.
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I value the truth movements of those who devote their time and energy towards getting to an objective truth, not some appointed sham which is headed by the likes of Zelikow or Kissinger. I read very conflicting accounts last night and I don't like when people put spin on things. Virtually everyone knows that Iraq was a blatant invasion, for example. What action was taken against this? Hmm...
How did a whole fleet slip under the radar anyhow? I've heard that sth was distorting the readings, another American ship actually. I'd really hate to think that successive American governments have been complicit in any internal meddling. The transcripts I have read point to the involvement of stand-down orders, another feature of 9/11. How did the Japanese fleet get that close? That baffles me!
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I ask this, do you also value such a movement when there is nothing to be found i.e. there making stuff up? Get your facts right also, We just like the rest of the world had poor intelligence when we went into Iraq, point being a mistake was made, and we have to fix the situation.
You do realize the technological level at the time do you not? Do I have to mention that the internal problems America was facing/getting out at the time?
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However, there will always be those that speak out against the tide of public opinion, even in Japan where the nail that sticks up gets hammered down. There was a Japanese MP who outlined the case against conventional 9/11 'official' wisdom. The same could be done on other fronts or does Japan have a strong 'whip' system in politics which makes them tow the line? I wouldn't count on any changes as they wouldn't want to open Pandora's Box, this wouldn't be in keeping with Japan's traditional approach to things. Being hushed into secrecy is a sign of the times.
Komitsuki, good point. War sells though. Why do you think Britain has just pledged to stay in Afghanistan for 40 years? Nobody can tell me that troops from 42 countries from around the world, together with the help of the ANA with local knowledge, cannot overcome a group of bearded, old men in the Taliban. America has become so controlled that they allow firms to profit and to hell with the American reputation abroad. I know Americans whom I worked with in Japan change the flags from American to Canadian on their rucksacks. Why should they be guilty by association?
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I'm going to deal with the 9/11 crap you keep pulling out.
9/11 Conspiracies - Introduction - Conspiracy Science
9/11 Conspiracies - Sources - Conspiracy Science
You do know they Defeated Russia?
Simple wiki for ya.
Soviet war in Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That said you don't realize that even with today's technological you still can't track a target to a pinpoint location in a mountainous region (with caves). They have "home advantage" also knowing the terrain unless you have vastly superior numbers your fighting a war of attrition with lunatics that would willingly blow themselves up. Tell me another war of the past where where the world had to deal with such?
The bomb was dropped during a time when the opinion and view on war was vastly different then what it is today. Like the saying goes "no two wars are fought the same". The very simple answer was because it would save lives. There is also a reason WHY two where dropped, NOT at the same time mind you. America gave Japan the chance to surrender the government did not thus a second one was dropped. now think for a second and do it with thought to how that time was. Do you invade a country to where it took TWO bombs for it to surrender or do you save lives arguably in any way you can? These are decisions of war, and there not pretty.