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Originally Posted by Nyororin

Atheism is a lack of religion. It`s very very hard - dare I say impossible - to discuss atheism as *atheism* without bringing religion into it.

Either way - if the derailment to religion/lack of religion discussion continues, the thread WILL be closed.

Atheism is not believing in God. It does not mean you're not religous.

Just, most religions involve a God, so people just assume that.

Originally Posted by Salvanas

Him: What's your belief about God?

Me: Don't believe there is one.

Him: Really? How can you not? Is your faith that weak?

Me: Nothing to do with faith. I simply cannot believe that something that is just... there, can create the world simply with a snap of his hand.

Him: Oh, and so the Big Bang Theory is so much more better, is it?

Me: Who said anything about the Big Bang?

Him: Well... I thought since you don't believe in God that...

Me: That I automatically believe in the Big Bang theory? Don't be an idiot. the Big Bang theory is just that. I do not believe in it, nor do I dis-believe it. Until it has been proven, it is still a theory. Our mind and science is still very insufficient to prove such things as the creation of the world, let alone the universe. We still have at least a few more hundred years before coming close, and who knows what other theories will come up?

Him: But, why do that when you know God created the world?

Me: because even that, is a theory. An old one. But as I said before. It took us this long to get away from God creating the world, to the Big Bang. It'll improve.

I've an interesting story, too:

Evo dude: "I can't believe we evolved from monkeys!"

Muzzie dude: "Think so? Where's the proof?"

Evo dude: "Here is a skeleton of the monkey we came from..."

Muzzie dude: "That's only where you think we came from, where are the links?"

Evo dude: "Here's a skeleton of a slightly more ape like creature!"

Muzzie dude: "There's still links missing..."

Evo dude: "Here's a skeleton of a ape like man!"

Muzzie dude: "But that does not link us to him..."

Evo dude: "Here's a skeleton of a cave man who looks almost identical to us and is genetically linked!"

Muzzie dude: "Not good enough... there's still pieces missing..."

Evo dude: "WTF? What else do you want? Birth cetificates?"

Muzzie dude: "... yes... I also want dental records to prove the monkeys listed are those who match the names on the certificates..."

Evo dude: *Goes and drinks coffee*

The big bang "theory" is the same. It's pretty much proven. Asking for more evidence... I think some people will settle for nothing less than photographs of the exact moment...

Originally Posted by MMM

She is telling the basics of Big Bang theory. Nothing more, nothing less. It is interesting you would guess she participated in the video for personal gain.

No. This is the big bounce. It's a little more advanced and newer.

Originally Posted by alanX

I have a question.

She said something like the Big Bang could possibly be the result of another universe collapsing or something along the lines of that...

I'm curious as to where that universe came from. And if the answer is "it came from another universe collapsing," then where did that universe come from?

Perhaps it was God?

It's up to you. Science has not got this far yet, and there will always be an essence of mystery as to what the real heart of existence is.

For me, I think it is the void element; an element construct that is beyond our comprehension simply because we're not physically made of that element, so have no direct connection with it aside the intuitive.

Originally Posted by iPhantom

If you give me proof that everything needs to have a start (source), I'll answer you.

LOL. If you give me proof it even has started...

Of course, our universe had to have a start. Everything has a source. Everything comes from somewhere. Nothing just magically pops out of it's own arse and exists oneday.

All dirt, fire, water, air, it is all the result of something. It's a reaction. As is space and time, clearly. The mere fabric of existence must have a source, a creator. That's just science.

Give me one thing that exists today that you know for a fact does not have a source. I know you can't.

Originally Posted by MissMisa

Thinking about this really hurts my head.

You're so cute...