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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

Yes.. modern science is the product of our imaginations... we just made it all up. *sarcasm*

I'd like you to tell me the method of investigation which is more rational than the scientific method since you seem to believe that science is all made up...

And the hypothesis that nothing became something can be foreseeably tested if humans develop a sufficient understanding of time and space perhaps. Creationism could never be tested because in the minds of the creationists, the inconspicuousness of their creator is merely "not proof of non-existence" (which is completely irrational).

Also I'm not saying that the big bang is true... just that it is a more probable theory than creationism.

Oh and by the way... I'm not emotionally attached to the big bang theory... so it doesn't bother me if a more plausible theory is developed later on when more about our universe is discovered. So please don't come at me as though I made up the theory or I have any sort of investment in the theory.

Furthermore... you're not a scientist. Therefore anything you say about science which you deem irrational I will put down to perhaps your misunderstanding of something in which you are out of your depth.

lol... Do you even know what modern Science (Physics) is? Have you ever heard of Quantum Physics or even Quantum Mechanics? I study this at Uni! The only rational part of it all is the maths (and that's if you can get a grasp of it). And for the math to even be applied, you would have needed a HUUUUUUGE imagination to think of what is happening at such a small scale. You CANNOT see anything. You see certain effects from some random experiments, and you put your imagination to work to see what’s happening. Once you have an idea, you think up of tests to prove that your image of what is happening is in fact correct! So, I don’t really get why you’re being sarcastic when you don’t even know what Modern Physics is all about!
Even when studying it and are told what is happening, the majority of people that study this at Uni end up failing because they CANNOT imagine how it could be possible. You’re told to forget all the classical laws of physics. Newton is an idiot when it comes to anything Quantum!

And when did I say Science is all made up? Do you really think I would be wasting my time and money studying Math and Physics at University if I thought it was all made up? I LOVE these two subjects. I love the theories. AND I love that they’re not called facts and that anyone that actually studies these theories will tell you that accepting them as they are now means you’re just stupid! I’ve studied The Big Bang Theory in depth at uni! You probably don’t even know what the Doppler Effect is, do you? If you had any clue about the big bang theory and the Doppler Effect, you’d realise why it’s not conclusive. You could even prove this at a pond near you. Drop a big rock into the pond to show the actual big bang! Then drop another rock further out to show a star or galaxy blowing up… Then tell me what the waves look like and if you could really tell a lot about the big bang from it!

As for The Big Bang theory being more probable than creationism… how does that work? You do realise that they don’t go against each other right? That for example, the majority of religious people do believe in a BIG BANG! The main difference to a lot of people is; what was there before the actual Bang? Was it nothing that exploded, or was it a power that made everything explode? I’d like you to tell me how on earth you think science can prove something like that? Scientists can’t even prove that wind is real! According to the methods of science, you can’t prove it because we only see its effects, not its origin!

To be honest, I don’t even know why I’m talking to you about this. You say I’m not a scientist, but if someone isn’t a scientist when he studies science, then I wonder what you are! You don’t have a clue about the details of a theory (or even Science), yet you argue it!