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Originally Posted by pumpum

You know what? id like to agree with you but im just not so sure! on one hand it would make sense to say that the right is shrinking, yes maybe because at the end of the day teh country just voted a black democrat for president, however this action may be more complex than just voting for party lines.

BUT !!

Look at the amount of people going mental over obamas helathcare plan ? its not just a few is it? so i dont know if i believe that the right is shrinking, ill tell you one thing though i F****** hope so !

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Originally Posted by MMM

I never called you a "Bad American" and I don't think you are a "Bad American" so please, stop putting words in my mouth. I would never tell someone they need to believe the way I do, but even you aren't answering my question.

The president has 1000 things to do in a day. This simplistic idea that any minute he is not spending on health care is a complete waste of time is silly. (We are also at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, remember).

And to say spending 10 minutes addressing the nation's youth about staying in school is a waste of time also seems silly to me. (Silly. Not you are a "Bad American. Just silly. If that is too insulting to you, then your skin is too thin.)

I think spending 10 minutes of the president's time to tell the nation's youth to stay in school is not only not a waste of time, but is probably the best use of his time.

CAN you STOP simplifying this? I have repeatably said to you, constantly that it is NOT about every waking minute he has to be on health care. I WOULD expect you to know that is not the question here. BY extension how is what I think silly, I provided backup to my reasons wither you agree or not? Iraq and Afghanistan (he's not the commander on the ground is he?) have no bearing on this.

DUDE, I HAVE SAID THE CHILDREN TO ME IS NOT THE ISSUE, IT'S NOT ABOUT IT BEING A BAD/GOOD THING HERE (I have said it also would be a success if he inspires one child if not more) I HAVE ALSO STATED THAT, if there was no pressing concern then there wouldn't be a problem with it. Don't be smug, and please this time read what I write so I don't have to keep repeating it. On the surface I believe right now he could be focused on working on health care, while also if he does inspire a child then it was a success. It's not a black and white issue with me, don't make it into one.

At the base of inspiring children to do good is great and good, I'm not debating that. What I was questioning is whither this is the right time to focus on that. Health care reform or whatnot will be a huge effect on there lives in the future.

Quotes from me.

Let me also say this, if there wasn't a concern right now such as health care, I wouldn't be having a problem with it

MMM, Again I was not nitpicking how many hours he chooses to spend on anything, but his focus! If it was a non-argument then there wouldn't be any controversy. Just because you see one side, doesn't mean there is not another side to be seen. I would say the exact same thing for elderly and vets, why would you think I wouldn't (you use the words anyone so it does apply to me)? IT IS NOT BECAUSE OF THE CHILDREN, can you please stop with this.

Simply put, in a way there are more pressing concerns right now then giving a speech, which could be given at a later date, while also putting the focus on education.

You have still not explained why the most important and highest official in our nation should NOT address our nation's children as to why they should stay in school.

As I child I was taught that even if we didn't like the policies of our president, we should respect him for the position he has earned. That level of respect has continuously been maintained for decades all up until January 20, 2009.

Suddenly people that respected the office of the president of the United States of America treat it as important as the winner of American Idol. The respect is gone. The trust is gone. And it's not because of 8 years of George W Bush.

What a sad statement for America if that is really true.


That is a very strong insulation that everyone who thinks that the President (for whatever reason) should not speak to the schools, is a Bad American. If you don't want people walking away with that idea, perhaps a less black-white approach is necessary.