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Originally Posted by iPhantom
How is it logical? Can you show me something to back your assumption that it needs a creator?
Also like Ronin says it goes in an endless chain. Some religious people say God doesn't need a creator. Well, why do us need one?
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Yeah.
See, when you say "dirt", it ain't really dirt, it's like, coal from a fire, or shit from a horse. So where did that fire that made the ash come from? It came from gas. Were did the gas come from? It came from dead animals.
You know, everything comes from somewhere.
So, you keep going back and back and back, until oneday you get to a point where you're just before the big bang, and there's no fucking dimension for shit to exist in.
How can anything be a product of something before that when there was no place for it to exist in?
You know, you get to a point where there's no space and time. So answer me how you pull dirt out of that?
As for the creator comment, it's just plain fucking arrogance. Some things are better and more advanced than you and Ronin are. Yes, dirt isn't, so it's pretty easy for you to understand the way this dimension works. But when you go and say that a creator needs a creator, you're suggesting you're the final stage of evolution. You're it, the all understanding being.
I don't have to answer that question; it's about as stupid as someone asking me to count the grains of sand on the sunshine coast, and calling me lazy for not doing it.
The point is, there's no reason to assume something a bazzilion times greater than you are which resides in a moment of existence absent from both space and time needs a creator. I mean, that alone; God could not exist in a dimension, because he created dimensions, it makes you look pretty stupid. How the fuck is someone supposed to exist before you in order to create you if there is no time, no before?
Why don't you think it through for a bit. It seems to me you need a lot of thinking.
Of course, what I say is not conclusive; I'm just point out your arrogance.