[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by Hatredcopter

It's not just a question of tactics. At certain times in Stalingrad, Soviet troops were paired up with each other; one would carry a gun, one would simply follow. The following soldier would wait for his lead to die, and then take up his weapon. If he didn't charge straight into certain death, a Soviet officer would gun him down.

I don't get your point?

I know my platoon commander would have put a bullet between my eyes in a combat situation had I refused to follow orders, and that was modern day Australia.

All armies are extremely hard on those who refuse their orders. The Russians wern't the only ones who sent people on almost suicidal missions.

This is just another example of biased placed on Russia; although it's true, people say it as if they're the only ones who did/do it.

Originally Posted by Hatredcopter

In the Battle of Berlin, the Soviets treatment of both German soldiers and civilians was nothing short of horrific. 'They raped every German female from eight to 80' | Books | The Guardian . German units who were fleeing Berlin on the onset of the Soviet attack would purposefully surrender themselves to Allied troops, knowing that they'd be sent to forced labor camps or just outright killed by the Soviets.

Well, Americans raped half of Vietnam. But no one says America is evil, it only had a "few bad eggs". Russia does the same thing and all of a sudden Stalin is the Devil.

As for the prisoners, this is also very common, too. As for what else you expected from an Army that can barely feed it's own troops, I'm not sure.

The pecking order would be clear at the mess hall; feed the officers, then the soldiers, then the civilians, then the dogs, then the prisoners. You seem to expect they'll give food to prisoners that they don't even have for their civilians... unrealistic.

That so many Germans died only highlights the Soviets own personal struggle of the lengths they also had to go through to win. It's no big deal.

Originally Posted by Hatredcopter

"A study published by the German government in 1989 estimated the death toll of German civilians in eastern Europe at 635,000. With 270,000 dying as the result of Soviet war crimes, 160,000 deaths occurring at the hands of various nationalities during the expulsion of Germans after World War II, and 205,000 deaths in the Forced labor of Germans in the Soviet Union. These figures do not include at least 125,000 civilian deaths in the Battle of Berlin."

Do these things nullify the sacrifices made by the Soviet soldiers in World War II? Of course not. However, these things should be kept in mind before one starts praising the Red Army, and especially if one tries to change the entire point of the thread by bringing up Hiroshima/Nagasaki.

The thread isn't just about WW2, it's about false or biased history. If someone has a point to make using another war as an example then so be it.

Fact is, most countries are guilty of what Russia did, but communism and the Soviet empire are the two great evils of the world... for what?