[Ryzorian]

Iraq kicked out the UN inspecters, that gave us full and legal authority, via international law, to go in and finish the war, so that's a moot point. Plus it had the added bonus of bringing in 10's of thousands of Jihadi's to fight the "infidel". They were much easier to kill in Iraq than they are in Afganistan, wich is like one giant mountain. WMD's were never really the primary issue, and it's too bad bush used it as a "selling" point.

Plus haveing Iraq become a western ally with an American trained and equipt army helps bottle up Iran. It's why we pay so much attention to Pakistan as well, since it also borders Iran. That was the intent anyhow, the actions were sound tactically. They were essentially trying to fight fanatics while at the same time trying to build a wall of containment around Iran.

Obama isn't a socialist, he's more in tune with facists, since that's a governmental system that tends to join corperate with government as a joint venture, more so than nationalizeing everything like Socialists tend to do. Owning GM, takeing over banks, trying to take over health care, are all moves the Nazi's made in Germany dureing the 30's.

I'm not saying he's a Nazi, so lets nip that in the bud right here. What I am stateing is that much of what he has done so far, and is trying to do, is very similer to what they did then. In other words, the policy is following a familer path. Remember that was dureing the Great Depression, many of the moves Germany did dureing the mid to late 30's were highly successful economically speaking.

I would also point out that America itself has flirted with Facists idealogy on and off, for nearly 100 years, so it isn't anything new. FDR was a hero in Germany and Italy before WW2 because of his governmental policies. The Nazi party was also very strong in the US in the 30's, even garnering support from folks such as Linberg.

It will take a couple years to see how this plays out so maybe folks should stop with the doom and gloom. Afterall, I lived through Clinton, Bush, Carter, Reagan and blah blah blah. The US is still here and still a superpower, despite what others like to say.

Side Note; fluffy0000 is correct, the intial mess started in 99 and both parties were party to it. There were those who saw the inpending disaster even then but no one listened. By the way, the Bush administration warned about it repeatedly for years and Barny franks kept stalling it, claiming Bush was just about "class warfare". Bush was mostly at fault for not explaining loudly enough to the people what was really happeneing.

Most Presisdents are really judged decades later becuase what they did doesn't bear fruit for a generation. It will be well into the 2020's before the results of the Bush doctrin will be made clear.