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01-13-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ColinHowell View Post
This is one of those English figures of speech which must be quite confusing for non-native speakers. Saying "... X, not to mention Y" is actually a way of stating that Y applies even more strongly to the subject than X does. Other forms with the same effect are "... X, much less Y", "... X, let alone Y", and "... X, to say nothing of Y".

I think most native English speakers use these expressions automatically to achieve this effect, without thinking about the literal meaning of the words used. Since I never think about it either, answering this question was rather difficult for me.

I found out that these expressions all come from an old technique of rhetoric (called paralipsis), in which the speaker calls attention to something by pretending not to mention it. I knew nothing about the origins of this before looking up these phrases to answer YuriTokoro's puzzlement, so even we experienced English speakers can definitely learn something here.
Heh, thanks for the better explanation. As you say, expressing concepts that way is automatic for native English speakers but creates a lot of confusion for speakers of other languages such as Japanese.

That's why I provided a simpler revision that would be easier to understand but express the same concepts.


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