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Originally Posted by WhoIsDaffy
sorry i'm a little confused,
what does the fact that a dynamic system with no random variables can have random outcomes, have to do with cause and effect?
also in extreme scales determinism fails to answer any real questions.
it falls down when dealing with the subatomic and quantum level,
and on the opposite end of the spectrum,
you cannot have a hypothetical machine that measures eveything in the universe because in order to do so it would have to measure itself, and the data stored within itself, resulting in feedback, which gives us a fractal, and ironically chaos.
the end result being an unsolvable equation.
thus one would never be able to predict what the universe is going to do by knowing everything within the universe.
yea its great for dealing with the macroscopic, but then so is newton.
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Blah blah blah blah blah... yes, welcome to the world of "infinity"... The logic you just used is basic logic a 7yr old has... this is proven when you see a kid asking a priest... If god made everything, then who made god? And then who made that thing that made god and so on and so forth! Both of these do not prove that God doesn't exist nor does it disprove the basic theory of determinism...
Rather than trying to complicate things, just look at the "notion" of Determinism; with sufficient knowledge future events can be precisely predicted. So... if you look at a chaotic system like the double pendulum, Chaos theory says that it's impossible to trace the path; This is true... Determinism says with sufficient data (change in pressure, initial velocity, precise measurements of length, mass etc to the most minute degree), you would be able to predict the path!... this is also true!!! So, genius, maybe you can explain how two opposing THEORIES can be correct at the same time... **hint; Classical Physics vs Quantum Physics... OR even better and easier... LET THERE BE LIGHT!!!!!***
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Originally Posted by WhoIsDaffy
wtf are you on about?
since when are the two mutually exclusive?
well done!
you have failed to grasp even the basics of chaos theory.
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Ok... let me spell it out for you... if you're so knowledgeable, why don't you go try to convince the scientific world that Chaos Theory is actually a fact
