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Originally Posted by clintjm

Japanese police can ask for my ID to see if I'm legally in the country at anytime too. Are they racists? Are they Nazis too?

Last things first, you just inducted Godwin's Law. I didn't call anyone a Nazi, but now you have. I have made my points clearly, and will address you above points before the "Nazi card" was played and then excuse myself from the conversation. I apologize in advance to anyone that responds to my above posts, as I will no longer respond in this thread.

Originally Posted by clintjm

So we'll just read between the lines instead and just call the bill racists because a person of any race can asked?

You aren't reading. It is racist not because a person of any race can be asked but because only persons of certain races can be asked.

For the fourth time, by your own words, the majority of "illegal immigrants" in Arizona are from "south of the border". Are these white people? No. These are Latinos, Hispanics, brown people, Mexicans, whatever word you want to call them. But they are defined by the color of their skin, and if you think this bill is motivated by anything different then you are lying to yourself.

Again, if you want to keep illegal immigrants out of Arizona (a worthy cause...don't mistake me) then go after the companies and corporations that hire them. It IS that simple. A five-year-old could tell you which companies hire migrant workers. Go on in and check it out. Thousands could be unemployed in an afternoon AND NOT VIOLATE THE RIGHTS OF LEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND AMERICAN BORN CITIZENS.

Originally Posted by clintjm

Why would that be illegal? Quote some law, some violation of civil or constitutional rights when you say these things because you are just not making any sense.

How many times a week would you want to show your SSN card or birth certificate or ID to a cop because you have curly brown hair? 8? 5? 3? 0?

Originally Posted by clintjm

What are you talking about? What are you reading? They can't ask a Canadian, Chinese, Middle eastern etc etc etc the same questions? YES THEY CAN.

Don't be naive. Please. Who is the target of this law?

Originally Posted by clintjm

I guess here you are trying to be sarcastic. The laws here are not racial because they can ask one of any race.

One year after this law is enacted tell me with a straight face that the number of brown skin people who are legitimate citizens who are questioned under this law will be smaller than the number of Caucasians.

Originally Posted by clintjm

Many say he has no proof of citizenship as he doesn't have an original birth certificate. Would an out of state license and copy of a birth certificate be good enough?

No, probably not. My state's ID would not be accepted in AZ. Are copies of birth certificates good enough? Please tell me.

Originally Posted by clintjm

Maybe if he wasn't the president and he was walking along the border and couldn't produce ID and if he was suspicious of being an illegal.

Why would he be suspicious?

Would I be suspicious?

Originally Posted by clintjm

Take your Obama bait back to the Obama Hope and Change thread... I thought you have had enough a thrashing already there. Obama is the one putting people into groups now with his latest speech to put people into groups again by calls for young, black, Latino, women voters.

Oh Jesus, don't respond to it then say "take that bait back". You can't have it both ways. Thrashing? Please. Don't be so obviously delusional.

Originally Posted by clintjm

Now you are just being foolish. Yeah, maybe if you'll play your cards right they give you free bus/air fair back to Portland.

How many days would I spend in jail? Just curious.

Originally Posted by clintjm

No, no birth certificate, no passport is required but are acceptable forms of ID, but you do have to produce ID as disclosed in the bill in English by the John Lott article I posted. No different than most places if you are asked by law officials for ID and you fail to produce, then you can be held until you do. They don't have quite the same situation in Portland as they do in Arizona. There is truly a big problem there that is affecting the country as a whole and this jerky attitude that we can't ask people if they are here legally and produce some ID because we might be hurt someone's feelings. This bill doesn't discriminate. They can ask any race they choose.

That's the point. Every state is different, so my ID won't be acceptable in AZ. What they are setting themselves up for is no more tourism in AZ. Especially from people of color. Please don't be so naive that you can't see this.

Originally Posted by clintjm

It is an insult to those who came to this country legally NOT to try to take illegals back to their country. The gangs and the crime coming across the border is killing America literally and economically; yet the Obama has sat on his hands the whole time along with Janet no security Napolitano do not do what the federal government is supposed to do.

I have nothing against stopping crimes happening in the US by people that shouldn't be here. That is not what this law is about.

Originally Posted by clintjm

70% of the Arizona population are thrilled with the state's movement, as they should be.

Japanese police can ask for my ID to see if I'm legally in the country at anytime too. Are they racists? Are they Nazis too?

And back where we started, and why I will not post on this topic again.