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Originally Posted by vegna
Hey clintjm,
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1. The way you used this example was very unclear on the surface.
Using my words and inserting a race isn't making a point well. It simply becomes a bigoted statement. Posting the example like that does not lead to a good result. That is why I stated "if" that was your intention.
You are right that most illegals just come here to work and better themselves and usually the only law they broke was coming to the states illegally. This doesn't make them bad people. But you have to remember why a country has borders and immigration laws in the first place. A country can not sustain importing an impoverished people and sometimes the crime that comes with it at a certain rate at one time. This isn't tolerated in any sovereign nation around the world nor is it in the states.
2. An illegal immigrant in any place of the world can be of any race.
"Illegal immigrant" isn't a race. This new law doesn't even go as far as what can be done any other place in the world: Ask for ID without cause.
Go to any country, including Mexico, and a law enforcement officer can ask you for your ID or even legalization ID if you physically, verbally, culturally apparent you are of the country's race; no matter what, no matter what race; and it is obvious in most cases you will be identified and stopped because of your race if they are suspected. I.e. A Japanese can be stopped in Japan by police and asked for ID because he or she may look of another Asian heritage which has a high population of being in the country illegally.
In the AZ case, there is still lawful contact required. You have to be stopped for a reason that falls under suspicious behavior that
does not include suspicion of being an illegal. So AZ can't even do what the rest of the world does: stop you
juston the grounds of suspicion of being illegal. Is the rest of the world just racists then?
Why is this any different than the US federal border agent asking for ID and proof of being in the legally; which they CAN do now.
How is this any different than any other country?
3. The work you describe is done by citizens and documented workers throughout the nation. If it was possible to get rid of the illegals in the south west as you describe, the company would then have to pay a living wage to the legal residents in order to get workers. This is another false hood that only illegals will do these jobs as you can see from history and in the states (and around the world) today.
I doubt a person with a "chemical" degree would take that job too. He or she would eventually move if they couldn't find work. Maybe they would take a minimum wage job doing whatever until they find work. It happens every day.
In most states where there are low populations of illegals, this work still gets done. The problem in states like Arizona, illegals will work for whatever the boss will pay them thus allowing them to lower the cost to the consumer against the the up and up company. To keep up the up and up company has to lower wage to its workers that need to pay state and federal income and or property taxes; illegals in some cases can by pass this. Thus the legal resident can not make a living wage in this environment.
Sometimes the company may get duped.
Yes all classes need each other, but to paint a picture that only illegals will do the low class work and citizens or legal residents won't is falsehood. Citizens and legal residents in every country do this work, including in the states. If all illegals went back to their country today, the work would get done just as it always has. Sure companies would have to pay more to get legal workers and the cost to the consumer would change, but it would stabilize to a national level at some point.
In the end the "for a better life" argument you bring comes down to unfortunate fact life just isn't fair and some people are born holding the short end of the stick.