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Originally Posted by MMM
I have been quiet for a little too long on this one.
Clint, no one is arguing that criminals shouldn't be punished and that immigrants here illegally shouldn't be dealt with properly.
That is not the problem with Arizona's new law.
The problem is that LEGAL CITIZENS will be treated as criminals.
Two phrases from the law: LEGAL CONTACT.
LEGAL CONTACT is any lawful interaction by a police officer with an individual. Well, that is pretty much any contact outside of criminal activity by a police officer. A police officer can approach anyone for any reason at any time.
REASONABLE SUSPICION.
This is the catch phrase that no one can define. I think we all know what merits "reasonable suspicion" in the spirit and intention of the law, but I want to hear the legal definition as you understand it. You say race has nothing to do with it.
If it isn't skin color, accent or language ability, then what would make a police officer reasonably suspicious of an individual that would merit them asking for proof of citizenship under this law?
I really just want to hear the answer to that simple question.
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Now, now, you promised you were going to "leave it at that" on your last post and gracefully bowed out. I
knew you couldn't resist rehashing your points back from the start of the thread. Weak. Don't bow out and pop back in; it is bad form.
You were afraid your posts were being buried by all the logic of this thread. Well read up. This question has been answered a million times over by now.
Okay I'll answer your one question. If a cop pulls over that individual for a traffic violation and can't produce a DL to ID him or herself, then there is reasonable belief that he or she is illegal because illegals don't have ID. The cop didn't pull them over because they weren't the right shade of skin, it was because of traffic violation. The person didn't have ID.
Being in the area of the border or anywhere in Arizona where there is an illegal problem, the officer can now ask the death question "Are you here legally?"
Now if the cop was to pull them over for no other reason, no traffic violation, other to ask
them are they here legally, then the cop is violating the new Arizona law.
The answer is the STATE IS GOING TO DO IT LIKE THE FEDS. THE STATE LAW IS THE SAME AS THE FEDERAL LAW. IT IS LEGAL.
Satisfied?
Now answer mine:
How does Japan handle their illegal problem? If you are stopped and asked for proof of being in the country legally, are you going to scream racist? No? Didn't think so.
Japan hasn't got politically correct foolishness on the brain, even when there isn't a state of emergency, nor would any country with a problem like the US has got. That is how they keep the illegal population at bay. For a person who writes on what to expect in Japan and on the Japanese in general, you sure are race baiting on this issue. You refused to answer last time because of "godwine's law". But funny how the left calling this nazism to stir up what they do best; as you can see from the videos I posted throughout this thread.
Arizona is doing the job of the federal government. The state can now do what is already on the books as federal law. Arizona is now doing what the rest of the world is doing but even less so because they still have to be politically correct and not just stop anyone by their race for no other reason to ask about their legalization.
The left only offers politcal correctness and similies to nazis while ignoring the problems.
Read the bill for what it is (not for what the lib talking points are making it to be), read this thread in its entirety, read the NY post article on the state of CA and Arizona, then you can gracefully bow out again, because I'm fed up with where the left is taking the country; especially on this issue. CAN YOU TELL?
This law violates nothing and that is why it will stand and I sleep well at night knowing it is on the books now. How are you going to track down illegals? Oh wait I hear MMM already typing up his "take the lollipop away and all the problems will go away" line... Sorry illegals that are criminals don't work those jobs.