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Originally Posted by clintjm

Now, now, you promised you were going to "leave it at that" on your last post and gracefully bowed out. I knew you couldn't resist rehashing your points back from the start of the thread. Weak. Don't bow out and pop back in; it is bad form.

I didn't promise anything, but you are correct, it is bad form. The only reason I felt the need to pop back in is that the arguments are being so steered from reality, I really couldn't help myself. I don't like seeing baloney walk like it is reality.

Originally Posted by clintjm

Okay I'll answer your one question. If a cop pulls over that individual for a traffic violation and can't produce a DL to ID him or herself, then there is reasonable belief that he or she is illegal because illegals don't have ID. The cop didn't pull them over because they weren't the right shade of skin, it was because of traffic violation. The person didn't have ID.
Being in the area of the border or anywhere in Arizona where there is an illegal problem, the officer can now ask the death question "Are you here legally?"

You still aren't reading my posts.

This is one example of a LEGAL CONTACT and no one here is going to argue with you that if a cop pulls over a person without licence they have the right to pursue proof of legality.

You are arguing something no one here is arguing against.

What you aren't doing is addressing my question.

LEGAL CONTACT is any contact with a police officer as long as the police officer is not committing a crime. This isn't just about pulling over people who make traffic violations. This is the point you are NOT addressing.

Originally Posted by clintjm

Now if the cop was to pull them over for no other reason, no traffic violation, other to ask
them are they here legally, then the cop is violating the new Arizona law.

LEGAL CONTACT is not only about shining the red and whites and pulling a car over. LEGAL CONTACT can happen in a McDonald's or on a street corner.

Originally Posted by clintjm

The answer is the STATE IS GOING TO DO IT LIKE THE FEDS. THE STATE LAW IS THE SAME AS THE FEDERAL LAW. IT IS LEGAL.


Satisfied?

Not in the least. You didn't address either of my points. I know what the definition of LEGAL CONTACT is, but you haven't acknowledged it.

And you didn't answer my question about REASONABLE SUSPICION. What is REASONABLE SUSPICION?

If I am a white guy driving without a licence am I within REASONABLE SUSPICION of being an illegal alien? Is Arizona going to spend their resources on deporting unlicensed drivers?

Originally Posted by clintjm

Now answer mine:

You first.