[clintjm]

Originally Posted by jbradfor

I haven't posted here because by the time I read it, clintjm had already steered it in a ridiculous direction. I will just say to clintjm that if you think this law will not lead to profiling, even thought the law says otherwise, you do not understand Arizona, and you do not understand Arizona police.

Just doing what the rest of the world is doing, including the feds.
Is the rest of the world racists and wrong?

What don't I understand about Arizona and the police in Arizona?

Originally Posted by jbradfor

Rather, I came here to post this article, which I think pretty much shows the mood in Arizona:
Arizona Ethnic Studies Classes Banned, Teachers With Accents Can No Longer Teach English. If that doesn't explain the mood in Arizona right now, I don't know what does.

This article deserves its own thread if there is really any debate. <hint>

"Department of Education has told schools that teachers with "heavy" or "ungrammatical" accents are no longer allowed to teach English classes." "Teachers who don't meet the new fluency standards have the option of taking classes to improve their English."

Sounds good. We should only expect the best English education for our children. I mean the subject is ESL English being taught to non-fluent students. It is unfair to spoken English students when the teacher is unable to articulate the language properly or in grammatically correct ways. The article even has English mistakes: What is an ungrammatical accent?

Heavy accents to the point of not being understood and improper grammar is unacceptable.



"Under the ban, sent to Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer by the state legislature Thursday, schools will lose state funding if they offer any courses that "promote the overthrow of the U.S. government, promote resentment of a particular race or class of people, are designed primarily for students of a particular ethnic group or advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals."

Also another high praise for the Gov.
I'm liking her more and more.

Thanks for the article.

Originally Posted by jbradfor

Also, wouldn't "lawful contact" includes questioning potential witnesses of crime? So does this mean that if I witness a crime in Arizona, and I go to the police to report it, they can now legally check my citizenship status? Isn't that a big step backwards?

You are incorrect in your assumption. Nice try though.
In your example you haven't been stopped for a violation of a crime.
Suspicion can only be assumed after lawfully being stopped for a crime.