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Originally Posted by MMM
If they are in AZ and 99.99% of the illegals are hispanic, well then it is part of the picture, but not the basis.
This is exactly what I am talking about. If you want to make a law that says "reasonable suspicion" but "race" cannot be a factor and then you say 99.9% of illegals are "hispanic", well, then tell me what basis are the officers using this law going to use to enact it? I am being 100% serious and have asked this question at least a half dozen times. Is it plaid shirts? Hair styles? Lunch time meal choices?
Are you starting to see where the holes in the law are?
p.s. Your wife has no ID? She's here illegally? You keep saying people who hire illegals should be prosecuted. How about people who harbor them???.
If people are enacting in major crimes, then arrest them like crazy. No one is saying no.
But let's talk about that. This law doesn't allow profiling for a law that is targeting 99.9% "hispanics" by your words.
Then what is this law designed to do? I am told this is specifically targeting south of the border aliens, and at the same time it is not profiling Latino and Hispanic people.
Here is an example...again. I am a father of two. We are all American born citizens, but my parents and my wife's parents were born in Ecuador. I have a birth certificate and Social Security number. So do our kids. My wife never got a Driver's Licence. Our kids are minors. We get pulled over because I didn't signal at a turn. We are in Arizona visiting friends. I have an Oregon Driver's license. My minor children have no ID. My wife doesn't drive, and has no ID.
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I'm not starting to see holes. The law is not targeting hispanics. The law is targeting illegal aliens. It just so happens that hispanics are the majority of the law breaker. They made thier decisions. that does not equal racial profiling. regarding race does not equal profiling. I'm sorry you cannot see a distinction.
Your wife will be fine for several reasons.
1) She won't be driving (I hope) so they will not be contacting her.
2) If she's with you and you're driving, they will probably not contact her. they will be addressing you.
3) Yes you will be OK with an OR driver's license.
4) Your wife will be carying her green card or visa to show she's here legally like she's already required to do.
5) All the types of arguments you are raising are perdicated on the idea that cops are Nazis that are going to go postal, grabbing people of the streets. No officer is going to take your wife away without really developing a case worth prosecuting and he's not going to throw away his career, benefits and his own family's livelyhood to take one Ecuadorian off the streets then be sued civily.
Here's the most important point: This law only mirrors the federal law, but allows the local police to enforce it. Most states already have that but don't enforce it. There will be no mass gathering of foreigners. Passing a law like this encourages illegals to return home, as it has. Mexican authorities are complaining to the US officials that they can't handle the influx of rerturning immigrants (how's that for irony?).
In short, this law really changes nothing. the ACLU and liberal politicians are raising a ruccus to create fear.