[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

Remember you have no right to tell anyone how to vote,

During the 2008 Presidential Campaign, a lot of people told not to vote for a Republican party. How undemocratic it is, it's up to you. I'll assume I don't have any rights to say anything further because I'm not an American.

obviously the people who voted for Obama and for MCcain voted for their own personal reasons. If everyone should vote like you then we cease to be democracy.

Huh? Populism already killed democracy in America. Whether it is from FOX News, or a conservative Christian televangelist or borderline-Trotskyist university students in the USA.

Heres a tip America will always have enemies on the inside and out no matter who is seated in the white house and honestly pleasing all of the American public is impossible to do. If you dont like him then show it the democratic way vote him out when his term is up. But dont wish ill will on the average working American whos just trying to get by what the hell is wrong with you.

Voting is not everything in a democratic system.

In South Korea, democracy has become more like a socio-folk belief than a political belief. That's because South Korea is a democratic country and its citizens are too skeptical about voting. They don't vote because they want to support their suitable party; South Koreans usually vote because they want to get rid of a party that they hate. Then again, this was sort of like the 2008 Presidential Election in the USA: for the sake of getting rid of the Republican candidate. Slightly different nuances of two dynamics of voting but it makes a huge difference. As you know, voting was originally for consciously choosing the candidate you like, not consciously ostracizing the candidate you hate.

I wouldn't say South Korea is a democratic country because of this.

When I was in school in South Korea, I learned that democracy is not all about voting. But sadly democracy in advanced western countries are all about three things: trivialized voting issues in every sector of the society, sensationalized political media circuses (esp. involved in voting), and pray by raw faith that the politicians would do something right after they get elected by voting. This doesn't sound like democracy to me but why many of the Americans or others think that it's a democracy? It's more like vote-ocracy than democracy.

I'm sorry if I offended your beliefs but I really can't believe in democracy.

Originally Posted by Tsuwabuki

Nine posts? Fuzzy logic even getting to an attack on Obama?

Troll. Not even likely an American.

Move along, nothing to see here...

He's somewhat right. Majority of Americans lack faith in Obama: poll | Reuters

He sounds more American than most of the Americans here IMO. Maybe because he read too critically about the US Civil War. I don't know. Maybe I don't have the rights to say this because I'm not an American.

Originally Posted by kunitokotachi

What do you mean?

- Liberty instead of Democracy!
- Democracy has nothing to do with freedom. Democracy is a soft variant of communism, and rarely in the history of ideas has it been taken for anything else.
- As for the moral status of majority rule, it must be pointed out that it allows for A and B to band together to rip off C, C and A in turn joining to rip off B, and then B and C conspiring against A, and so on.
- The American model – democracy – must be regarded as a historical error, economically as well as morally. Democracy promotes shortsightedness, capital waste, irresponsibility, and moral relativism. It leads to permanent compulsory income and wealth redistribution and legal uncertainty. It is counterproductive. It promotes demagoguery and egalitarianism. It is aggressive and potentially totalitarian internally, vis-à-vis its own population, as well as externally. In sum, it leads to a dramatic growth of state power, as manifested by the amount of parasitically – by means of taxation and expropriation – appropriated government income and wealth in relation to the amount of productively – through market exchange – acquired private income and wealth, and by the range and invasiveness of state legislation. Democracy is doomed to collapse, just as Soviet communism was doomed to collapse.

Hans-Hermann Hoppe