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Originally Posted by NanteNa
That's not my point. I'm saying that you miss out on a lot of things by thinking, that it only takes a few TV shows and some basic reading to learn the language. There is a reason why some people study this for many years..
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Yes - Like I have been self studying for almost 2 years (Well... 2 years with a bit of a break in the middle)
And of course it doesn't only take a few TV shows and books; I would have thought that would be obvious to anyone.
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Originally Posted by NanteNa
AND.. if you talk to natives of the language, it's not actually self-teaching ; D Also, natives don't think about how they speak their language - they just speak it. So your theory doesn't really hold water in my opinion..
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So, as soon as you try to practice speaking with someone in their language you are automatically not self studying?
Strange way of looking at it...
Also, you seem to be referring to some kind of theory to do with natives thinking about what they are saying (Or something like that) which I never actually mentioned in any posts...
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Originally Posted by NanteNa
I'd say it would only work if you ACTUALLY got your hands on grammar books, how-to Kanji/hiragana/katakana etc. Japanese (and any eastern Asian language) is not something you 'just' decide to learn, because you think you have the flair for any European language. Heck, if I wanted to, I'd probably be able to teach myself any European language - because they're easy for me, as I'm European myself. But the ground base for European languages (Latin, old Germanian languages etc.) are not to be compared to Japanese, Chinese, Korean or anything like it.
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At what point did I say that you can't use grammar books and stuff?
I use them to speed up the learning process, but it doesn't change the fact I am learning by myself.
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We are obviously talking about 2 different things here.
I think maybe you think I am talking about picking up all of the grammar all by yourself with no grammar books or anything.
When I am really talking about using resources by yourself without going to a class or seeing a tutor of some kind.