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Originally Posted by steven
It's counted as two moras in poetry, not syllables. This is exactly what I was talking about. It's one "syllable" if you look at it as a native speaker of English.
Similarly, would you consider the word はい a two syllable word? I certainly wouldn't.
With that said, if a combination like あい is a monophthong according to Decimus, then how could it possibly consist of two syllables? You guys are mixing up syllablse with moras, plain and simple.
The dipththong thing can go either way in my opinion (I wouldn't say that あい is a dipththong thoguh).
Three simple dipththongs in Japnaese や ゆ よ. Depending on how you say them, you can make them super dipththongy as well.
Masageru, with all do respect please check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mora_(linguistics)
Look at the Japanese portion of the article and what it says about haiku. |
*Facepalm*
I know what
mora 「拍（はく）」 means. I took linguistics classes back in college. Note that the article I quoted used the word
「音節（おんせつ）」, which unambiguously refers to the word 'syllable'.
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英語の母音について種類にわけた表を上に示した。
日本語の母音が５種類とされているのに対して英語の 母音がいかに多いかが分かる。詳細については後ほど解 説するが、「重母音（２重母音、３重母音）」が「１つ の母音」であるという考え方が重要。それは決して２つ や３つの母音がただ並んでいるというものではない。複 数の母音で１つの「音節」を構成しており、あくまでも それで１拍のリズムを作るというのが重母音の特徴であ る。すなわち日本語の「愛（あい＝２音節）」と英語の「I（私）＝１音節」は同じではない。
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「あい」 consists of TWO monophthongs. NOT one. Since this also indicates the presence of two
syllable nuclei, it follows that there are also two separate syllables.
I had also provided a link to
this article, and I do make an effort to at least glance at articles before linking them.
「や」、「ゆ」、「よ」 are morae that also happen to be monomoraic syllables. Youon 「拗音」, like 「ちょ」、「ちゃ」、「きゃ」 are digraphs (set of two symbols) that represent a single mora and are often also monomoraic syllables. All youon only have a single vowel, like [o] for 「ちょ」, and [a] for 「ちゃ」 and 「ちゃ」. Again, these are digraphs, and CANNOT BE diphthongs since they only have a single vowel.
Diphthongs, again, by definition, are combinations of multiple vowels (that glide together), and VOWELS SIMPLY CANNOT COMBINE WITH CONSONANTS TO FORM DIPHTHONGS. Phonetics does not work that way. Phonetics also often separates consonants from vowels when analysing sounds.
You are the one mixing up diphthongs with digraphs and who knows what else.