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Ryzorian: quote

"Al-qaeda was based in Afganistan,.."
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al-Qaeda has bases in a half dozen or more countries dude? From Somalia,Yemen Pakistan etc. the majority of it's funding from Saudi Arabia.

The origins of al-Qaeda as a network inspiring terrorism around the world and training operatives can be traced to the Soviet War in Afghanistan (Dec 1979—Feb 1989)
The U.S. channeled funds through Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency to the Afghan mujahideen fighting the Soviet occupation in a CIA program called Operation Cyclone.

Translation:
al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden were created ,armed and trained, and on the payroll of Saudi Arabia and the US.
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Ryzorian: quote

"Hamas was not created by Isreal, that's like saying Jews created Hitler and the Nazi's,.."
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The US Ambassador to Israel since 2002 has gone on the public record and has more experience in Middle East affairs than you dude,
*sorry to pop your'e bubble.

According to the Dec. 21 ( 2002 ) Israeli daily Ha'aretz, US Ambassador to Israel Daniel Kurtzer made these extraordinary statements at a seminar on religion and politics


Israeli Roots of Hamas are being exposed
Centre for Research on Globalisation 18/18/02: Dean Andromidas

Speaking in Jerusalem Dec. 20, U.S. Ambassador to Israel Daniel Kurtzer made the connection between the growth of the Islamic fundamentalist groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and and Israel's promotion of the Islamic movement ( Hamas ) as a counter to the Palestinian nationalist movement.

The Enemy of My Enemy Is My Friend This statement is extraordinary given the fact that Kurtzer is a very senior diplomat, having held the post of Ambassador to Egypt just prior to going on to Tel Aviv. He is also an Orthodox Jew who is not shy of criticizing the extreme anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic views held by certain Arab circles. But Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon rarely grants the United States' highest representative in Israel an official audience.
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And another source dude,

Hamas history tied to Israel

By Richard Sale
UPI Terrorism Correspondent
06/18/02 "UPI"
Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.

Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies.

According to ICT papers, Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the movement's spiritual leader, as an Islamic Association by the name Al-Mujamma al Islami, which widened its base of supporters and sympathizers by religious propaganda and social work.

According to U.S. administration officials, funds for the movement came from the oil-producing states and directly and indirectly from Israel.

According to former State Department counter-terrorism official Larry Johnson, "the Israelis are their own worst enemies when it comes to fighting terrorism."

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