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Originally Posted by RealJames
It seems to me like what you've just done is argue that discrimination is ok.
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And it seems to me you haven't addressed my question. Where is the discrimination?
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Originally Posted by RealJames
Discrimination isn't about better or worse, just about a bias or prejudgement.
Which is exactly what you pointed out is going on, good or not.
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You are getting on a semantical argument, but let's be real. Everyone prejudges. That's a survival mechanism. If we didn't prejudge we would be infants fighting for our lives.
I think you are picking and choosing your definitions of discrimination. I can say "I am a discriminating wine drinker" and mean I choose the wines I like carefully. But I am talking about gender roles and you are talking about oppression. These are VERY different things.
I am saying gender roles are normal in society, and although almost all cultures have had power imbalances in gender equality, modern day Japan isn't nearly as bad as you have written about it, in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by RealJames
Good or bad, conscious or subconscious, the way these prejudices occur they still have a direct effect on "Women's rights in Japan or eslwhere" (the title of the thread)
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But isn't it all about good or bad? You are implying that any gender role difference = negativity. I am asking you to explore that.
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on a side note:
the example you gave with both parents working, kids home 3:30 etc.
that was my childhood, both my parents work, I had clubs or whatever on some days and they picked me up on the way home, the independence on the other days did me good. it was a nice life, no problems with that, my mom and my dad both had great jobs, where's the problem in that?
Who is cleaning the house and getting dinner ready?
how filthy does a house get? we cleaned it each weekend as a family, it took a few hours out of sunday afternoon, big deal. My father and mother cooked together or took turns and swapped cleaning afterward... I seriously don't get the issue.
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But, again, you didn't respond to my question. What I presented was considered the ideal. It still is by many standards. I know you made it work, and your family made it work. All families make it work, and sometimes they are more functional living under a bridge than in a mansion, but that isn't the point. The point is, does it make sense for all gender roles to be the same? You haven't addressed my points in that respect and why gender roles work in Japan.