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Originally Posted by princessmarisa

Due to the entire blood is best tirade you keep lamenting on about.

Tirade? Lamenting? Let's not get too dramatic and let's stick to the topic. I used the word "blood" once to reiterate the parents have a vested interest as to how a child is raised. A social worker or babysitter doesn't.

If you read into that I don't believe in adoption, then I guess I haven't been clear enough.

Originally Posted by princessmarisa

The instinct is usually the one to have sex, and the child can be a wanted or unwanted side effect.

But the reason the instinct to have sex is there is because the species wants to procreate.

Socially humans have changed a lot more in the last few thousand years than we have biologically. 1000 years ago it was normal for 14-year-olds to start having children. In modern society this is abhorrent. However, biologically that's what we are, and young men and young women still follow their instincts instead of using their intelligent brains and make unwanted babies (that should probably be put up for adoption to caring would-be parents that can take care of the child).

Originally Posted by princessmarisa

People who chose to have children as a conscience trying effort are those who put a lot of intelligent thought into reasons. Some want to raise a child as a sense of worth, others as a way to give and receive love, some just because they will get more benefits. It is not a simple instinct to procreate.

Individuals, especially those of a younger age, tend not to have the desire to become young mothers or young fathers. They know the difficulties that can come with having a child before one is ready mentally and financially.

Yes, there are some people that have children just to get more money from the government. They don't work, and as a result their kids follow the same role. This is bad modeling.

Originally Posted by princessmarisa

I never said we are not human beings, I said we are an intelligent species as opposed to a more simple animal who acts on instinct alone.

How many unwanted teen pregnancies are there in the UK every year? I know in the US it is well over a million. We may be intelligent beings, but sometimes we don't show it too well.

Originally Posted by princessmarisa

As you said yourself these spend the majority of the day asleep, so are largely unaware if the actual parents are there or not. As long as their physical needs and emotional needs are catered for, along with some psychological development or educational stimulation their upbringing is in no way compromised by the actual blood-parents not being around watching their cot all day

A baby's emotional needs require (most of the time) the mother, but also the father. There are some things a stranger just can't do. A baby's nourishment literally comes from the mother's body.

Originally Posted by princessmarisa

You presume here that most parents care about their children so much that the Love alone will be better for them than actual knowledge of how to help children develop. You also presume most childcare professionals are minimum wage lackies who don't care about their job.

I am assuming a parent is going to love their child more than the social worker will, and the child will know that.

Why do you assume that parents have love, and nothing more. First-time parents have been raising children for eons, and our intelligent society has made it this far.

I am not assuming daycare workers aren't well equipped, but I am saying they don't have the investment in having a child be raised well. The parents do.

Originally Posted by princessmarisa

In reality, a bad parent won't get caught as easily on behaving irresponsibly as a professional would. So by that fact, on average professionals will give better care than parents.

Wow! Where did you come up with that spin? Since it is easier to catch bad child care workers than bad parents, child care workers are BETTER at raising children than actual parents?!? Amazing!

Originally Posted by princessmarisa

Yes some parents will give exceptionally good care, and some professionals exceptionally bad.

However on a large scale, those with training, being monitored/regulated by the government and various other influences such as knowing the support services around, first aid training, etc. even reasons as selfish as keeping their job will cause professionals on average to be better at the task at hand than a parent raising their child at home.

What an incredible conclusion! I think you look at child-rearing as a job.

Child-rearing is not a job. It is much more than that. It is a life change of epic proportions. It requires much more than most "jobs"... it is more than full-time, but 24-7 with no days off. It is more than feeding and stimulating the child. It is about LOVING the child. Being loved and feeling loved is a very important part of a child's development. That's being held, kisses, warmth of another human's skin and making those connections, physical and emotional.

Yes, someone can read a textbook and pass some tests and know what to do when child is choking, etc. But that is NO replacement for a loving caring parent, and it never will be.

Originally Posted by princessmarisa

I never said that all parenting is bad, I merely dissected your ideaology that "blood is always best" and that is is preferred and ideal to have children raised in the home, by the parents, not childcare.

Please don't quote me if that's not what I said, because that's not what I said. I didn't say "blood is always best" because there are times when blood isn't best (i.e. abuse, drug addicts, etc.) However what I said is when blood is good, it is the best.

Originally Posted by princessmarisa

I really doubt that there are bad parents because they were raised by childcare professionals. If they were raised by their blood relatives how would that make them any better at parenting, unless we are expected to believe that by just having a blood bond one would know perfectly how to raise a child!

It's about modeling. Children see and imitate. Overweight people tend to have overweight children. Children of divorce have higher divorce rates than children of couples that never divorce. Single parents tend to have children who are single parents.

There is an ad on the radio here for foster homes, and its tag line fits here.

"You don't have to be perfect to be a perfect parent."

Originally Posted by princessmarisa

It is far more because of social workers we care more about upbringing now and highlight potential issues and intervene for the Child's sake.
There are not *more* bad parents, we are just *more* aware of the issues due to mass media improvements and changing ideas in what a child needs.

Do I really need to get into X years ago we thought it was fine to send children down the mines and work them half to death and other similar off the wall examples?
No one thought they were bad parents then, society evolved and the "professionals" as you seemingly scathingly label them stepped in and investigated the detriment this has to the children and changed this.

Miss Misa addressed this too, and I don't know, that's why I asked.