[godwine]

I still stand behind karate. Some school that teaches traditional goju ryu teaches beyond point sparring. And it really depend on how the person train. I myself trained in taekwon do and goju ryu. I take my training beyond the dojo, using what i learn from the dojo, i have regular sparring session with people fro different art, our sparring are al. Full contact, k1 style. So it's really how one train themselves