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Originally Posted by Ryzorian
The US's orginal ideal was allowing people the freedom to achieve worth on thier own merit. True it hasn't allways upheld the ideal but that's the foundational aspect. China doesn't even have the ideal.
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Most countries in Western Europe weren't founded on this ideal and I would say that social migration is much more common in many of these countries.
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Originally Posted by Ryzorian
Ronin, the Middle class is what the lower class strives to achieve, that's where liveing is possible. Trying to destroy the middle class is why that whole concept fails because it removes the basic foundation that humaity is based on. Being able to achieve something. Take the achievement out of it, and nobody will do anything constructive and the whole thing collapses under it's own weight.
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I don't think you understood what I said earlier.
The point of communism isn't to destroy the middle class but to eliminate class altogether.
And why do you think things can't be achieved in a communist utopia? Communism won't destroy scientists, doctors and technicians.
It will destroy the illusion of achievement created by capitalism. Who do you think is worth more in reality? The farmer that provides food or the factory worker that makes essential goods? Or the guy on Wall street whose job it is to move money around? Under capitalism the wall street guy is worth more. Under communism.. his job wouldn't exist.