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02-15-2011, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TrainOfThought View Post
The way I see it multiculturalism isn't all bad. However, most countries need to sort out their integration politics.
Sweden the perfect example of how it's NOT supposed to be done.
I live in a small Gothenburg suburb called Angered (yeah, I know it sounds funny to you ) and out of the ~35.000 people living here, 84% or so are 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants, and there are neighbourhoods where 94%+ are immigrants.
The immigrants who came here during the 60's, 70's and early 80's have been doing really good when it comes to assimilating and all that.
Most of them were labourers from Greece, Turkey, "Yugoslavia", Italy and Austria, and most of them were a great contribution to the Swedish society.
However, many of the immigrants who came to Sweden during the mid to late 80's to now (most of them from MENA countries) aren't doing anything to contribute to society at all, but instead they live a decent life without having to lift a finger.
Of course I'm not saying that everyone from the MENA countries in Sweden are like that, but unfortunately most of them are.

I could go on and on about how Sweden has failed, but I'm gonna try to keep it short.
As of june last year (I think?) immigrants will be given money to take Swedish classes through SFI (Svenska För Invandrare/Swedish For Immigrants). I think it should be mandatory to learn the language of the country you're going to live in, so I can't really agree with giving them 8 400 SEK ($1 300/110 000¥) a month for learning how to speak Swedish. If they just arrived, they'll also get a flat with all the furniture they need, paid rent and about 3 500 SEK ($540/45 000¥) a month for food, clothes and stuff like that, and like 2 000 SEK for each kid.
So, if family X arrives to Sweden with two parents and 6 kids (quite common), and both parents are taking SFI classes, they'll be getting a flat without having to pay the rent, free education and ~32 000 SEK (~$5 000/400 000¥) a month.

Should you dare to say that you think this is wrong, you'll be called a racist and all kinds of other stuff, and if you say that you think it's unfair that a Swedish family in a tough situation wouldn't get 1/3 of that (speaking from experience) people wouldn't want to be your friend any more 'cause of how inhumane you are. Ofc the immigrants need all that money to survive. They've had a hard time living in their home countries. It's funny how noone ever mentions how they go back to their home countires on vaccation.

It's like our government only cares about making life for immigrants as easy as possible. It's like they're all a bunch of helpless babies that we need to take care of. I'm NOT saying they are, but that's the way our govenrment treats them. And it's not only about money either.
Let's say a Swedish 15 year old boy were to do something really bad like set a car on fire... All hell would break loose and he'd get sent to a reformatory or something.
If it was a boy from let's say Somalia or Iraq, it's be more like a "I know you suffered a lot back there, but you can't do stuff like this, and you have to promise not to do this again" talk with a social service lady. Well, it's not THAT bad, but I think you get what I'm trying to say.

Because of this a lot of (young) immigrants feel that they can do whatever they want. This really needs to change. We can't "babysit" 80 000-100 000 new immigrants every year.
That's like if 1 300 000 immigrants came to Japan, or 3 100 000 immigrants came to USA every year.

To return to the original question, I don't particualarly like or dislike immigrants. If they actually try to get a job and become a part of society they're just another person, but if they refuse to do that and abuse the system I dislike them just as much as I'd dislike a Swede trying to do the same thing.
Thanks for your perspective. I actually stayed in Goteborg for one month and found it to be a pleasant city.

I didn't see any of what you said but I suppose I didn't really go to Angered. (My friend had an apartment in the city next to "the boulevard" is that what its called? That part where all the nightclubs and bars are.)

Anyway... as I said before. Bad policy doesn't mean multiculturalism is a failure and I suppose I'm backing up what you are saying.
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