[Ryzorian]

Fluffy; MJ's record in the NBA before or after wasn't relavent to the point I was makeing. He would have been a better Basketball player in college than Ronin is currently. I wasn't compareing MJ in relation to other NBA players but to Ronnin.

The term "Elite" is a misnomer, "elites" aren't allways better, they just happen to have power. In some cases those who hold themselves 'elite" are no where near as good as those they laud over, they just have the biggest stick.

My contention is that repesentational democracy based on capitolism atempts to allow everyone the freedom to succeed or fail on thier own merits. The best runner wins the race, the person who has the best answers get's an A, that sort of thing.

Economically speaking, you will never have a true "classesless" system. Someone will allways be richer, have better health, be smarter or better looking. That's basic nature, even native American tribes had chiefs.

That everyone would treat each other equally, reguardless of wealth or class position. That I think is as utopian as you could hope for.