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05-22-2011, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RobinMask View Post
That's a totally excellent point. There was a famous case here a while back, animal rights activists dug up the remains of a man's grandma and kept them hostage until he freed the animals he had in his possession (drugs testing, I think - although forgetting that without testing on something/someone we'd have no drugs, thus a lot more deaths and suffering). I dislike how animal rights activists treat people as if they don't matter: threatening friends/family, digging up remains, vandalising houses . . .
I haven't heard of that case...
Please don't hate me for this... I'm not trying to spark an argument, but in my opinion a person who abuses so many animals for testing deserves every drop of pain he got by having the remains taken. Maybe then he may feel a little closer to the combined suffering of those animals.

And from what I learned back in biology class, there are many, many disadvantages of testing for human drugs that basically null animal testing, such as the different immune systems and bodies.

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Originally Posted by RickOShay View Post
This is a perfect example of why animal rights makes no sense. There is a reason all those mice are poisoned .. because they are pests. Animals are just animals, they are out for survival and they will do whatever it takes to achieve that goal. It is the law of the jungle and animals could give a crap about humans. Now humans being better than animals.. with that thing we call a sense of humanity, can make responsible choices in how animals are treated/slaughtered/euthanized. I think that it is what is important and what real animal rights should be about, not this foolishness of putting the lives of animals above human beings.
Attitudes like that are exactly what's wrong with the world, and treatment of animals today.
Humans are animals too, we just use our inteligence as a cheat sheet to 'survival.' If you were trapped in the jungle, assuming you had the skills, you'd do exactly the same as animals.

And about them just being pests. May be a well used comparison, but I'll bring it up again.
If aliens who were a LOT bigger and more intelligent than us came, and considered us pests, you would be okay with that? "We're just pests, so it's okay we all should die right? I bet the aliens have an awesome reason anyway."

And what about animals who are more intelligent than humans? For example, a rat that can complete a maze, a dolphin that has a full communication system, vs a human who's braindead, or severely mentally disabled, who can't do any of these things. Do you consider these people more of a pest than the animals in that case? Because if I read your logic correctly, that's what I'm getting from it.
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