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08-30-2011, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nyororin View Post
Have you actually seen any of the clothes people put on their dogs?
Costumes restrict the natural movement of humans too... If they were not properly designed to fit. That is why there are clothes specifically for animals, and people aren't dressing them up in doll clothes. That would be incredibly uncomfortable and stressful for a dog. A glorified collar with little loops that the legs can go through is NOT. The designer dog clothing is designed not to cause any stress to an animal. How is a protective coat any different if it has decoration of some sort on it? The actual bits worn by the dog are the same. Do you mean to say that a dog can tell the difference between a protective coat and a decorative coat?

Also, I have yet to encounter anyone who dresses their dog up more than on rare occasions. Most "clothing" is indeed protective - rain coats, warmth coats, etc... Just made to look cute or like some other type of clothing.
I have never seen anyone just dress their dog up and parade them around. You are swallowing sensationalist news reports of weird Japan a bit too completely. I would be more than comfortable to say that the great majority of dog owners do not have ANY sort of clothing for their dogs, let alone decorative only. It may make great news to focus on a handful of weird people who dress their dogs up and show them off all the time, but that isn't the reality for 99% of pet owners.



Japan does not have the best reputation for the treatment of stray dogs and of breeder dogs. Pet dogs with private owners are some of the most pampered creatures I have seen.
Breeders, unfortunately, have an awful reputation in pretty much every country out there. If you want horror stories, just do a search on breeder abuse and the name of the country. I have seen stories of dogs being beaten to death, puppies being burnt alive, old birthing dogs being strangled then tossed in the trash, studs being starved to death in sheds... All in the US and UK. Japan doesn't quite take the prize for breeder cruelty.



You have mentioned this before, and while I can see the unhappiness about dogs being sent to China, being as they do import for human consumption and experimental purposes, what is to say that the dogs sent to Japan weren't sold to loving owners? I can hardly see the point of spending the incredible amounts of money it takes to send an animal to Japan just to do something horrible to it. It is a pretty large endeavor to send an animal to Japan - you can't just bring one in. The dog has to have been brought to the country via certain means, and then spend a certain amount of time in quarantine, followed by medical checks, registration, etc. All things that cost money and would make it pointless to bring dogs from overseas if they weren't going to be sold to private owners who would be willing to pay for all of it.
And at the very least, people care enough about the huge sums of money they spent on the pet to not do things that would cause it to die earlier.



Being as Japan does not eat dogs, nor does it sell them in crates on street corners... I have a feeling that there has been nothing comparable to China or the Philippines for a very long time. In cities there just isn't the room for people to hoard and abuse dogs, and they are still a sort of luxury. Of course there are going to be cruel people out there who do horrible things (our own cats were put into a plastic bag in the middle of summer just after birth and tossed into a parked truck's bed) but to let those people color the image of everyone in an entire country is silly. Should I be worried about the treatment of animals in the UK because I can find news stories about abuse?

Also - China is not Japan. They may be close in location, but they are VERY different countries. Please do not let horrors you have seen taking place in China bleed over on to Japan.
what spaces are there to exercise dogs? can they use public parks? I had heard of japanese owners getting rid of their dogs by shoving them down a rubbish shute.


I did see a programme about owners with their pampered dogs being forced to wear designer clothes and those dogs were obvioiusly uncomfortable. surely dogs have their own fur? If they were meant to wear silly clothes they would not have their own coat. Maybe breeds like mexican hairless and chinese crested need some warmth-- but sorry I think its just not on to treat dogs like a fashion accessory.

You will not find dog behaviourists approving of it at all. wet weather gear etc OKAy-- but clothes to match the outfit of the owner is ridiculous.
I have seen pictures of AKITAS wearing garments-- well considering the thick coat of the akitas its ridiculous and humilating.

these owners are not dog lovers-- they just like to show off their pet in matching accessories.

Yes there is abuse in this country and that makes me angry too. Breeders need to be extra careful where there pets go.

The RSPCA inspects the homes of people who want their rescue dogs.

It's people who are the problem as always. give me animals any day.

Years ago there was bear baiting with dogs-- these poor bears who were taken and used as a dancing bear-- then dogs would be encouraged to bite them. also badger baiting whicn secretly still goes on

Like the cock fighting and dog fighting. We are supposed to have rid this country but there are always these cruel people who use animals for their own sport. URGH.
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