Originally Posted by RobinMask (Post 822675)

Sorry to get involved, but I just wondered what it was you were trying to say? I'm very curious and if people have taken it out of proportion then that is unfair, however it's very hard to understand when you haven't reworded or explained your stance.

If we've all mistaken you then it might be helpful if you actually explain what you mean so we can understand, that way we can engage in an intellegent discussion :) I think insulting MMM doesn't help you at all, it just makes you sound rather immature, unable to put your point across without resorting to insults. So if you could explain without getting personal it'd be appreciated.



I think that above quote is what most people are objecting to. This made it sound - as others have said - that you expect manga to be free, that you have a right for it to be free. If you didn't mean it that way then please correct this. If you don't have money to buy manga then that is a shame, but if everyone had the mentality that they should have it free then the manga-kas would get no profit and there wouldn't be any manga. The authors need money from sales to create manga, and by people like us taking that away it makes it hard to create the products we so love. It's very naive to think otherwise.

Admitedly I used to visit onemanga myself, but I think after this I'll certainly be buying what I read and enjoy from now on, rather than just reading online, because it's only fair in the long run.

Originally Posted by MMM (Post 822679)

RobinMask, I appreciate what you are trying to do, but you are trying to speak logically to someone with essentially an addict personality.



I took nothing of what you said "out of proportion". Your reaction tells me I was probably right on the money.

Originally Posted by dogsbody70 (Post 822674)

yukisuki when you go shopping do you expect to pay for the goods that you buy or do you think they should be free.

what would happen to a shop that just gave everything a way for free-- although the shop owners have to pay for all the stock they have in their shop.

Would you be happy to work hard set up a business such as MANGA with all the costs that entails then give it all away?


Unfortunately the Internet has ruined the music industry because of all the illegal free downloading.

I think you need to stop and think. How would you feel if it was YOU who put all the time and effort and money into a business then watch it be stolen.
Would that make you happy?

I am afraid that many young people take the freebies for granted but if no money goes back into the kitty-- those businesses disappear. How on earth are they expected to survive.

common sense is needed here.

If you can't afford to buy something then you have to save up until you Can.

Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 823131)

MMM didn`t give you a warning temp ban - I did.

When the companies publishing manga do not make sales, they cannot pay manga artists. When manga artists do not get paid, they can`t afford to pay THEIR bills, so manga simply isn`t published. Manga artists do NOT make a lot of money. They make less than most normal jobs, and often have to scrape by with other part time jobs. By not paying for the manga you read, you actually raise the chances of that manga you want to keep up with being ended.

If you have bills to pay and cannot afford to buy manga - you simply do not have to read manga. If you are suffering so much through the economic crisis - try looking for ways to save or make money rather than whining about it and stealing stuff.

The levels of piracy and the like actually rise when people have more money. Why? Because more people tend to have access to the net so take advantage of it. Paying the bills has absolutely nothing to do with it. You`re making excuses to try to justify the fact that you`re stealing someone else`s hard work, and making it harder for THEM to pay their bills.

But hey, no one matters but yourself right? As long as YOU don`t have to pay, and as long as you are the "victim" of the economic crisis, everything is alright!

That`s called selfishness where I`m from.