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Oni 11-24-2007 02:33 AM

What do you think is the most controversial Anime?
 
What Anime do you think is the most controversial? Mine is either Neon Genesis Evangelion (Mainly the series and End of Evangelion) or Elfen Lied.

emiluvsjmusic 11-24-2007 02:40 AM

the melancholy of haruhi suzumiya and death note...
lol me and katchan had a very long and heated argument about death note... ^_^''

ivi0nk3y 11-24-2007 02:50 AM

What's so Controversial about Death Note ? :confused:

emiluvsjmusic 11-24-2007 02:53 AM

well we were just arguing about what is evil and whether kira was actually evil or not and is killing the worst thing a human could do and so on...

Powermad147 11-24-2007 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Oni (Post 305606)
What Anime do you think is the most controversial? Mine is either Neon Genesis Evangelion (Mainly the series and End of Evangelion) or Elfen Lied.

Awww...you took my two choices. But yes, I would say Evangelion was by far the most controversial. Blasphemy, nudity, violence, swearing, some scenes were practically child abuse, and hell, having kids pilot giant robots in itself is contoversial.

IhrTodeswunsch 11-24-2007 02:59 AM

Yeah... Evangelion.

MMM 11-24-2007 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by emiluvsjmusic (Post 305629)
well we were just arguing about what is evil and whether kira was actually evil or not and is killing the worst thing a human could do and so on...

I am not so sure it's that "controversial" though.

I would say Legend of the Overfiend.

Powermad147 11-24-2007 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 305747)
I am not so sure it's that "controversial" though.

Isn't controversy anything that causes you to question society/morals? Thats a literal question, because I may have a warped understanding of the word, but if so, then I'd say yes, Death note is controversial.

MMM 11-24-2007 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Powermad147 (Post 305996)
Isn't controversy anything that causes you to question society/morals? Thats a literal question, because I may have a warped understanding of the word, but if so, then I'd say yes, Death note is controversial.


"Controversial" is something that creates a fuss within society. "The Passion of the Christ" was a controversial movie. It received a lot of press, support, protest for its violent content and its depiction of Jews.

I don't hear people protesting Death Note, calling it immoral or scandalous.

Powermad147 11-24-2007 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 306040)
"Controversial" is something that creates a fuss within society. "The Passion of the Christ" was a controversial movie. It received a lot of press, support, protest for its violent content and its depiction of Jews.

I don't hear people protesting Death Note, calling it immoral or scandalous.

I've heard it called immoral, but your right. In its time, Evangelion actualy DID get some press coverage, I believe, so thats another good reason to nominate it. I believe the church banned it in some places for blasphemy... And hypocritical as this is, you always seem to be on, day or night...How do you do it? xD And yes, I've taken the time difference into account, and it still seems this way.

MMM 11-24-2007 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Powermad147 (Post 306046)
I've heard it called immoral, but your right. In its time, Evangelion actualy DID get some press coverage, I believe, so thats another good reason to nominate it. I believe the church banned it in some places for blasphemy... And hypocritical as this is, you always seem to be on, day or night...How do you do it? xD And yes, I've taken the time difference into account, and it still seems this way.


I could say the same about you. I do work in front of a computer A LOT of the day.

If someone calls something immoral, it's not controversial. If a lot of people call something immoral, it's not controversial. If a lot of people call something immoral, and then a lot of people disagree, then it's controversial.

NarutoFan1373 11-24-2007 08:31 PM

Defenetly Evangelion hands down.

Powermad147 11-24-2007 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 306056)
I could say the same about you. I do work in front of a computer A LOT of the day.

If someone calls something immoral, it's not controversial. If a lot of people call something immoral, it's not controversial. If a lot of people call something immoral, and then a lot of people disagree, then it's controversial.

Hehe, I guess I am also on a lot...^_^. But my opinion still hasn't changed...Death Note has been called immoral, as I said in my last post, but I also have friends who believe that what Kira did was actualy right. But to get off the subject of controversy, there are some other controversial animes I would like to mention, two that are on the same subject, actualy: Boku Wa Imouto Ni Koi Wo Suru, and Koi Kaze. Both these anime revolve around a topic that is will most likely always be looked down upon by society; Brother sister relationships. I found both these anime fairly...disturbing, and didn't bother finishing Koi Kaze. However, the point is, there are people out there that found them to be beautiful romantic tales, and then there is the majority that found it rather strange...Maybe this would be better discribed as "strange" than controversial, but I felt I should mention these.

ivi0nk3y 11-25-2007 12:31 AM

I don't think Evangelion was that controversial either. Definitely in depth and very hard to understand but not controversial.
As for Death Note, its true that it opened an interesting can of worms but it was still Fictional. I think it would be more controversial if Kira never had a "death note" and instead was a Japanese Dictator. That would be much more controversial I think cos it would be dealing with real world issues and the content could be taken much more directly and seriously.
Not everyone is good at looking "beneath the beneath" sadly, which is what a lot of Japanese stuff requires.

ps. I think Marmalade Boy for its time was quite controversial :D

ILOVEJAPAN 11-25-2007 04:12 AM

I think Evangelian was banned in Japan for awhile. Or at least I heard that somewhere...well in any case it certaintly is contreversial.

And wasn't Urotsukidōji banned in the U.K? There was at least a bunch of fuss over it there. For some reson, whenever some weird rape filled Japanese...thing makes it's way into england, everyone freaks out.

I think there was some contreversy about Battle Royal in Japan. And the the manga version of Koroshiya Ichi was banned in several parts of Japan. So was Midori (the anime version of Mr. Arashi's Amazing Freakshow).

There must have been some contreversy about Hellsing, after all it depicts hords of vampire Nazi's and KKK vampire nazi's, and vampire's, and blowing eachother to shrads!

Milanor 11-25-2007 02:42 PM

I always thought Deathnote create Controversial when the producer should actually finished the serie when L die, instead of introduce two new characters M&N that gonna kill Kira!!! I mean Kira should be declare the winner and rules the world at the point when L die!! Infact, i stop wacthing Deathnote after L died cause i know Kira gonna died later and it is just stupid!!!

ILOVEJAPAN 11-25-2007 03:44 PM

Now that I think about it, death note did cause some controversy in China. Apparantly "scary stories" arent aloud in China, and Death Note qualifies. So publishers havent been picking it up. But people were making bootleg copies...and then it got really popular among highschool kids...and then some kids were making fake death notes, and writing student's and teacher's names...and then the media found out about it...and we all know what happens then...

ivi0nk3y 11-25-2007 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ILOVEJAPAN (Post 307710)
I think Evangelian was banned in Japan for awhile. Or at least I heard that somewhere...well in any case it certaintly is contreversial.

And wasn't Urotsukidōji banned in the U.K? There was at least a bunch of fuss over it there. For some reson, whenever some weird rape filled Japanese...thing makes it's way into england, everyone freaks out.

I think there was some contreversy about Battle Royal in Japan. And the the manga version of Koroshiya Ichi was banned in several parts of Japan. So was Midori (the anime version of Mr. Arashi's Amazing Freakshow).

There must have been some contreversy about Hellsing, after all it depicts hords of vampire Nazi's and KKK vampire nazi's, and vampire's, and blowing eachother to shrads!

In that case most violent or sexually oriented animes are controversial cos they cause some kinda fuss in some country, somewhere in the world :rolleyes: In that case stuff like Ichi the Killer is bad.

Even so the topic asks "what do i think" is the most controversial anime, not what a country thought.

Oni 11-25-2007 10:25 PM

That is true. I mean, sure there are some anime that are in fact a little disturbing. For example, most people don't like the anime/manga Gravitaion because its Yaoi.... And Hellsing because it has so much bloodshed, vampires, neo-nazi's, and so on....

Yuna7780 11-25-2007 10:31 PM

NGE is possibly the most controversal anime I've stumbled upon. No matter how many times I watch my dvds... I'm still confused, but I learn a bit more everytime.

ivi0nk3y 11-26-2007 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Yuna7780 (Post 308765)
NGE is possibly the most controversal anime I've stumbled upon. No matter how many times I watch my dvds... I'm still confused, but I learn a bit more everytime.

Yea took me a couple of watches to get it pegged down too. I don't see why its so controversial though :confused: Its not like it had under age sex or anything.

ILOVEJAPAN 11-26-2007 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y (Post 308991)
Yea took me a couple of watches to get it pegged down too. I don't see why its so controversial though :confused: Its not like it had under age sex or anything.

Wasn't there some kind of cult religion based on Evangelion? Or was that just some internet BS? I'm never really sure what is true, and what isn't.

With all the violants, sex, torture, rape, S&M, incest, pedophilia, necrophelia, and bestiality in manga you would think it would be more controversial. Japanese seem to except it, but if some of the stuff that's published in Japan was published here, I think there would be huge contreversy. That is assuming that it got enough exposure.

MMM 11-26-2007 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ILOVEJAPAN (Post 309137)
Wasn't there some kind of cult religion based on Evangelion? Or was that just some internet BS? I'm never really sure what is true, and what isn't.

With all the violants, sex, torture, rape, S&M, incest, pedophilia, necrophelia, and bestiality in manga you would think it would be more controversial. Japanese seem to except it, but if some of the stuff that's published in Japan was published here, I think there would be huge contreversy. That is assuming that it got enough exposure.

A lot of it IS published in the US...very quietly.

Crelrn 11-26-2007 06:39 AM

Evangelion is definetely a controversial anime! So are, Death Note, Boogiepop Phantom, Ghost in the Shell, Akira and Revolutionary Girl Utena.

They banned any Death Note paraphernilia at my school. It really sucks :mad:
Same with Evangelion; it offended the Christian students. It seems like everything good's getting banned at my school :mad: . I wasn't offended, but I'm Atheist, so :rolleyes:

ivi0nk3y 11-26-2007 08:13 AM

Well its controversial if Evangelion takes the piss out of Christianity. It doesn't do that though. Its only controversial cos people don't know wtf they're watching when they want to ban it -_-'
Seriously, dumb people shouldn't have an opinion. So many people said movies like The Matrix sucked, just cos they didn't understand it.
So stuff becomes controversial based on someones stupid opinion and more likely than not, the movie or whatever isnt as bad as they say.
Even so, controversy just goes to make something more popular anyway -_-'
I bet if something was REALLY controversial, you'd never hear about it on the news. Only inconsequential stuff crops up.

ILOVEJAPAN 11-26-2007 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 309147)
A lot of it IS published in the US...very quietly.

I have seen a good amount of extremley violant and sexual guro movie's in subs, but I can't find ANY guro manga in english (except for some Maruo), and am lucky if I find any scanlations.

Or are you talking about original works? I have heard of S&M novels being published in english, but I doubt that they are really as bad as they sound.


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