JapanForum.com  


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
(#1 (permalink))
Old
Supperman (Offline)
JF Old Timer
 
Posts: 300
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Japan
between the two of us/between two of us - 06-06-2011, 07:40 AM

Hi.
What is the difference between with the definite article; the and without it?


You don't have to go to the police.
We can discuss it just between the two of us/ just between two of us.



Google hits both a lot.
I wonder if it is just the preference of each individual, or BE/AE difference, or something else.

Thank you.

Last edited by Supperman : 06-06-2011 at 07:42 AM.
Reply With Quote
(#2 (permalink))
Old
dosu's Avatar
dosu (Offline)
JF Regular
 
Posts: 37
Join Date: May 2011
Location: California
06-06-2011, 09:00 AM

I would go with the first one as it sounds more natural, and as for the second I don't think I've ever heard anyone say between two of us without ''the'' in it, but that is just my opinion


このサイトは私のPSPで効いて、幸せです。(ノ¤_¤)ノ
Reply With Quote
(#3 (permalink))
Old
dogsbody70 (Offline)
Busier Than Shinjuku Station
 
Posts: 1,919
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: South coast England
06-06-2011, 09:04 AM

preposition-THE--

Between the two of us-
Reply With Quote
(#4 (permalink))
Old
RealJames's Avatar
RealJames (Offline)
ボケ外人
 
Posts: 1,129
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: 神戸 三宮
06-06-2011, 09:06 AM

Between the two of us:
- there are only two of us
- there are many of us but only the speaker and the person he is speaking to
ex: "Hey Mark, between the two of us we can buy a PS3."

Between two of us:
- any two of the people in a group of more people
ex: (imagine there are 6 people there) "We should be able to cover the bill between two of us." (which two isn't specific)


マンツーマン 英会話 神戸 三宮 リアライズ -James- This is my life and why I know things about Japan.
Reply With Quote
(#5 (permalink))
Old
Supperman (Offline)
JF Old Timer
 
Posts: 300
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Japan
06-06-2011, 09:27 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by RealJames View Post
Between the two of us:
- there are only two of us
- there are many of us but only the speaker and the person he is speaking to
ex: "Hey Mark, between the two of us we can buy a PS3."

Between two of us:
- any two of the people in a group of more people
ex: (imagine there are 6 people there) "We should be able to cover the bill between two of us." (which two isn't specific)
Oh, I didn't think of the context in which there are 6 persons!
OK, I got it.


Then if there are only two persons, just "I" and "you", the "the" is always necessary, isn't it?
"Just between the two of us"?

Last edited by Supperman : 06-06-2011 at 09:57 AM.
Reply With Quote
(#6 (permalink))
Old
RealJames's Avatar
RealJames (Offline)
ボケ外人
 
Posts: 1,129
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: 神戸 三宮
06-06-2011, 09:39 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Supperman View Post
Oh, I didn't think of the context in which there are 6 persons!
OK, I got it.


Then if there are only two persons, just "I" and "you", the "the" is always necessary, isn't it?
"Just the two of us"?
correct
it may be colloquially omitted but it is grammatically necessary


マンツーマン 英会話 神戸 三宮 リアライズ -James- This is my life and why I know things about Japan.
Reply With Quote
(#7 (permalink))
Old
RealJames's Avatar
RealJames (Offline)
ボケ外人
 
Posts: 1,129
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: 神戸 三宮
06-06-2011, 09:41 AM

by the way,

"just between the two of us" has a different nuance, it means "don't tell anyone about this" or "it's our secret"


マンツーマン 英会話 神戸 三宮 リアライズ -James- This is my life and why I know things about Japan.
Reply With Quote
(#8 (permalink))
Old
Supperman (Offline)
JF Old Timer
 
Posts: 300
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Japan
06-06-2011, 09:55 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by RealJames View Post
by the way,

"just between the two of us" has a different nuance, it means "don't tell anyone about this" or "it's our secret"
Thank you, for the information.
Then, my example sentences of the initial post have the smell of criminal or illegal, wrong thing....

You don't have to go to the police.
We can discuss it just between the two of us/ just between two of us.


..............................................

Thank you, everyone.
You are so helpful.
Reply With Quote
(#9 (permalink))
Old
RealJames's Avatar
RealJames (Offline)
ボケ外人
 
Posts: 1,129
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: 神戸 三宮
06-06-2011, 11:11 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Supperman View Post
Thank you, for the information.
Then, my example sentences of the initial post have the smell of criminal or illegal, wrong thing....

You don't have to go to the police.
We can discuss it just between the two of us/ just between two of us.


..............................................

Thank you, everyone.
You are so helpful.
possibly...
In Canada it's ok to settle accidents between two people without involving insurance companies or the police, but I don't know about other countries.

Like if I hit your car while driving, I can just give you 3000$ and we can call it even, just between us.
just between us = just between the 2/3/4/5+ of us


マンツーマン 英会話 神戸 三宮 リアライズ -James- This is my life and why I know things about Japan.
Reply With Quote
(#10 (permalink))
Old
Supperman (Offline)
JF Old Timer
 
Posts: 300
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Japan
06-06-2011, 11:06 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by RealJames View Post
possibly...
In Canada it's ok to settle accidents between two people without involving insurance companies or the police, but I don't know about other countries.

Like if I hit your car while driving, I can just give you 3000$ and we can call it even, just between us.
just between us = just between the 2/3/4/5+ of us
Thank you.
After hearing from you, I think your scenario is quite possibly and reasonable.

Maybe I was watching TV drama and news too much, in which there were plenty of murderers.
I thought of a Japanese actor, who did illegal drugs with a woman, and she was dead suddenly. He called his secretary at once, and the secretary advised him to call the police at once, but....

My scenario is not probably going to happen in our actual life. At least I hope not.
If possible, I don't hope your scenario going to happen ,neither.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




Copyright 2003-2006 Virtual Japan.
SEO by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC6